Dinos from imbalaced salt?

[Fakegolfnews]

I have been fighting dinos for over a year, it comes and goes. I just realized that the timing of first getting dinos lines up with when i started using brightwell neomarine salt in a 5g bucket. Im not blaming brightwell but myself. Before brightwell i had only used the two little fishies acurasea1 that comes in packets that make 5g, Id make 5g at a time and just dump it all in.

FF to just now when im near the end of the bucket, i just realized i have never stirred or mixed the salt in the bucket and pour it out the same side everytime. This has to cause the heavy particles to make theur way to the bottom.

The question is, could this cause a big enough imbalance to create dinos.

Whats funny is that as i get to the end of the bucket the dinos come and go MUCH more quickly. What if the chemistry is balancing more as i get to the heavy stuff at the bottom of my bucket?

It just makes no sense cause i never spiked the nutrients or let them get too low, i was just doin my normal thing. AND it happened in both tanks i have and one was pretty mature when i got it.

Interrested to hear what everyone thinks

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

I don't see a way that inhomogeneous salt mixes will cause dinos, but I do see fairly clear evidence that dinos may benefit from trace elements and be harmed by a lack of them (one bit of evidence is that water changes seem to make dino issues worse), and if those are inhomogeneously distributed, then one might see different dino populations are you move through a bucket.

Mixing it up, though, might actually make them strong all the time. lol

 

[Fakegolfnews]

I don't see a way that inhomogeneous salt mixes will cause dinos, but I do see fairly clear evidence that dinos may benefit from trace elements and be harmed by a lack of them (one bit of evidence is that water changes seem to make dino issues worse), and if those are inhomogeneously distributed, then one might see different dino populations are you move through a bucket.

Mixing it up, though, might actually make them strong all the time. lol

Why would mixing it make them strong?

I dont dose any trace, did you mean in the salt? Im not very familiar with trace elements to be honest.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Why would mixing it make them strong?

I dont dose any trace, did you mean in the salt? Im not very familiar with trace elements to be honest.

It's just a possibility that I'll explain below. I think the most likely explanation is coincidence.

Water changes seem to make dino problems worse, not better. Why? Quite possibly trace elements that they need are added by the water change from the new salt water.

If dinos are being outcompeted by algae when the algae can grow with sufficient N and P, and water changes seem to spur the dinos, then it is a plausible hypothesis that algae outcompete the dinos for a needed trace element.

In any case, if you had an inhomogeneous salt mix, with no trace elements in one part and twice the trace elements in another part, then when using the low trace element part for water changes, you may continue to keep them in check with low trace elements, but when using the high trace element portion, you may allow them to thrive.

BUT, we (I) do see many reports that normal water changes make dinos worse. A double dose of trace elements is not needed for that effect. If you mix up a previously inhomogeneous batch so there are equal trace elements everywhere, you go from half of the time starving the dinos of trace elements to none of the time starving them of trace elements. Hence, the possibility that you make them worse by mixing up the salt mix.

 

[brandon429]

I read that you may be dealing with dinos in a nano reef, not a full size reef. You may not be aware but wanted to help: the last five rip cleans we ran on dinos tanks were instantly fixed in one pass and remain that way months after.
I can provide the pics and links. We could easily get one or two of the owners to post here the testimony as well.

The cause of dinos in a nano is not fixing the dinos by blasting them away, it’s caused by leaving them as an amassed group to continue fighting partial means applied to them. You have a way to be dino free with about three hours worth of work. Let me know if you want it fixed, we run a live time rip clean like the others.


im sure various characteristics in the tank mentioned above prevent some owners from beating dinos without a rip clean. But in a nano, the fix is documented a zillion times already.


if you want that tank fixed live time, by today, let’s do a custom run right here. Post a full tank picture

so to be specific, your tank will look exactly like you want it to after following a custom plan based on your tank pics. Chris Noles, example one, had dinos for ten pages then after rip clean, instantly and still fixed:

 

[brandon429]

A certain way of cleaning did that, not any form of hesitation and tinkering. Very large tanks must endure the months long tests, but nanos have a red cheat button built into all systems.

as soon as the will to be dino free overcomes the will to farm and retain them, we make that occur all day long above.

I know some people prefer to coax them out with adjustments, not a prob. If that doesn’t work, my way will.


we would rinse your rocks off in common saltwater to rid the dinos outside the tank. We‘d do mean stuff to the sand though.

 

[Fakegolfnews]

It's just a possibility that I'll explain below. I think the most likely explanation is coincidence.

Water changes seem to make dino problems worse, not better. Why? Quite possibly trace elements that they need are added by the water change from the new salt water.

If dinos are being outcompeted by algae when the algae can grow with sufficient N and P, and water changes seem to spur the dinos, then it is a plausible hypothesis that algae outcompete the dinos for a needed trace element.

In any case, if you had an inhomogeneous salt mix, with no trace elements in one part and twice the trace elements in another part, then when using the low trace element part for water changes, you may continue to keep them in check with low trace elements, but when using the high trace element portion, you may allow them to thrive.

BUT, we (I) do see many reports that normal water changes make dinos worse. A double dose of trace elements is not needed for that effect. If you mix up a previously inhomogeneous batch so there are equal trace elements everywhere, you go from half of the time starving the dinos of trace elements to none of the time starving them of trace elements. Hence, the possibility that you make them worse by mixing up the salt mix.

I can definitely attest to the fact that water changes make them much worse, id bet my life on that lol.

Now trace elements make sense. I hear people dosing them, but forgot its just cause they dont do water changes and need them.

Welp, i got some water mixin now that i shook up in the bucket real good. We shall see

If dinos never come back, i will be convinced of my theory. The start and stop dates couldnt be a coincidence in my mind