Dinos? live rock vs dry dead rock

[fragit]

I’m curious as to the statistics of reefers who have had or have a dinoflagellate bloom. Biodiversity seems to be a key to keeping this nuisance algae in check. I started reefing in 2001, every tank I’ve ever kept was started with high quality live rock. In August 2016 I started a new tank after being out of the hobby for a few years. This tank was started with dry Pukani rock. I’ve had two dino blooms in two years. I’m curious as to others experiences.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

If diatoms can come out of dry rock , I’ve wondered if Dino’s do as well.

A classic case.
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/n...-with-a-29-biocube.366073/page-2#post-4577803


It’s actually been a very popular topic in the last year or more.
Perhaps we could make it a poll?

#reefsquad.

 

[Jason mack]

I know people who’ve started with live rock and got Dino’s , IME Dino’s take over your tank when the other algae sorts are starved out by tanks bottoming out no3 and po4 , which in turn allows Dino’s too take over , I know there are many strains of Dino’s and probably each will have its own set of circumstances needed too take hold , but I don’t think there is any coloration to starting with live rock or dry rock ... but I’m probably wrong ...

 

[fragit]

If diatoms can come out of dry rock , I’ve wondered if Dino’s do as well.

A classic case.
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/n...-with-a-29-biocube.366073/page-2#post-4577803


It’s actually been a very popular topic in the last year or more.
Perhaps we could make it a poll?

#reefsquad.

I thought I did start a poll... that was my intent with this thread.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

I thought I did start a poll... that was my intent with this thread.

I guess I saw it too soon. Hadn’t finished printing.
;Oldman

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

I know people who’ve started with live rock and got Dino’s , IME Dino’s take over your tank when the other algae sorts are starved out by tanks bottoming out no3 and po4 , which in turn allows Dino’s too take over , I know there are many strains of Dino’s and probably each will have its own set of circumstances needed too take hold , but I don’t think there is any coloration to starting with live rock or dry rock ... but I’m probably wrong ...

Many thrive in a nutints deficient system, but what Is spurring it ?

One thing a new tank has in abundance is ammoina. Both from fish and rotting food and poop.

I did see a dino outbreak caused by Vibrant overdose. Most likely from the organic carbon source. It bloomed and faded fast though.

What else is the commonality that would be in abundance in a new tank ?

 

[Jason mack]

I voted

 

[Jason mack]

Many thrive in a nutints deficient system, but what Is spurring it ?

One thing a new tank has in abundance is ammoina. Both from fish and rotting food and poop.

I did see a dino outbreak caused by Vibrant overdose. Most likely from the organic carbon source. It bloomed and faded fast though.

What else is the commonality that would be in abundance in a new tank ?

This will definitely be a good thread too follow , be interesting too see the results

 

[Jason mack]

But they must be introduced some how ,wether it be on corals , fish , water , invertebrates,

 

[chefjpaul]

Ive started multiple tanks with both live and three with dry.
I only had dino once, with dry, and I believe, as said above, ULN played the biggest part along with my over doing carbon dosing with "probiotics".

Biodiversity of life is a key I think, but more leaning towards that imbalances with stripping of nutrients causing instabilities / fluctuations so good algaes, once thought bad, can be the equilibrium of the system.
Introduction is obviously higher with popularity and trade.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

But they must be introduced some how ,wether it be on corals , fish , water , invertebrates,

How are diatoms introduced?

 

[chefjpaul]

What else is the commonality that would be in abundance in a new tank ?

Abundance or deficiencies?

 

[Jason mack]

How are diatoms introduced?

Hadn’t looked at it like that , !!!!

 

[chefjpaul]

How are diatoms introduced?

The Water, or that big fat raccoon in my neighborhood. Erither way, great point to think about

 

[fragit]

I think there are two potential other poll answers I neglected to put in. Both were suspected causes of my initial bloom. ULN, and Vibrant. #reefsquad can you add ULN and Vibrant to my poll, please?

 

[saltyhog]

I started my tank in Dec. 2016 with live rock I kept from my previous set up(which originally came from TBS 5 years ago).

From the time I started it I had zero nitrate no matter how much I fed. PO4 was present from the get go and I tried to maintain it between 0.02 and 0.05 with GFO. My dinos started after I did two things. The first was a 10 week course of Vibrant because of a hair algae out break. When that didn't work I restarted my GFO and got a little too aggressive with it dropping it to ZIP. Ostriopsis was the result.

 

[g5flier]

Dinos showed up in my 3 month old live rock tank, it was from 0 nutrients. Began dosing nutrients, running UV, stop feeding coral and frequently changing carbon, 30 days later nearly all Dinos gone.

 

[John3]

I have live rock from Florida, about 60#s. This rock is absolutely covered in all kinds of life and biodiversity. I got dinos fairly early on, it was 5 months in. My nitrates and phosphates were still through the roof at that point. Nitrates were above 50ppm and phosphates were around 5ppm. So I am not sold on the low nutrient theory being the only answer.

I beat the Dino’s dosing peroxide over s 2 week span while also sucking out the snot with s turkey baster daily.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Abundance or deficiencies?

Yes. Both.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

I have live rock from Florida, about 60#s. This rock is absolutely covered in all kinds of life and biodiversity. I got dinos fairly early on, it was 5 months in. My nitrates and phosphates were still through the roof at that point. Nitrates were above 50ppm and phosphates were around 5ppm. So I am not sold on the low nutrient theory being the only answer.

I beat the Dino’s dosing peroxide over s 2 week span while also sucking out the snot with s turkey baster daily.

Was the ID under a microscope ?