Dinos?

[yan2pr]

My tank is going to be one year old and i had a GHA outbreak out of nowhere, thats ok im not to worried about that but my sand is getting this green film and im not sure what it is. I was reading that dinos has bubbles and my sand doesnt have any. Is this dinos or the gha growing on my sand?

 

[brandon429]

They're not usually green during expression I think that isn't dinos. You can see from the cross section of the sand pic that pigments and nutrients, waste, are packed in

It's not bad this is how sandbeds age, and also how they fuel whole tank invasions.


If you want your tank fixed correctly take it apart and clean it 100% then put it back skip cycle clean after rinsing the sandbed and clearing rocks of waste detritus. No form of chemical dosing to water accomplishes this, cleaning is the right way to save your tank we have a big thread on successful disassembly cleaning if you want it done right and safe


If this tank below had those growths before he rip cleaned it, they'd be clear now as he made the tank cloudless in thorough skip cycle cleaning

Nuvo 10 Crash?

Hi everybody, new member and my first post so I hope this is the right place; I need help with my nuvo 10 ASAP! To begin, this nuvo 10 was set up about 3 months ago, cycled and all (came over from freshwater so not that much of a newbie). Easy coral was not added until a month ago and fish 3...

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[dwest]

My tank is going to be one year old and i had a GHA outbreak out of nowhere, thats ok im not to worried about that but my sand is getting this green film and im not sure what it is. I was reading that dinos has bubbles and my sand doesnt have any. Is this dinos or the gha growing on my sand?

I believe that is cyano.

 

[yan2pr]

They're not usually green during expression I think that isn't dinos. You can see from the cross section of the sand pic that pigments and nutrients, waste, are packed in

It's not bad this is how sandbeds age, and also how they fuel whole tank invasions.


If you want your tank fixed correctly take it apart and clean it 100% then put it back skip cycle clean after rinsing the sandbed and clearing rocks of waste detritus. No form of chemical dosing to water accomplishes this, cleaning is the right way to save your tank we have a big thread on successful disassembly cleaning if you want it done right and safe


If this tank below had those growths before he rip cleaned it, they'd be clear now as he made the tank cloudless in thorough skip cycle cleaning

Nuvo 10 Crash?

Hi everybody, new member and my first post so I hope this is the right place; I need help with my nuvo 10 ASAP! To begin, this nuvo 10 was set up about 3 months ago, cycled and all (came over from freshwater so not that much of a newbie). Easy coral was not added until a month ago and fish 3...

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Thanks i will check that out.

 

[Bret Brinkmann]

They're not usually green during expression I think that isn't dinos. You can see from the cross section of the sand pic that pigments and nutrients, waste, are packed in

It's not bad this is how sandbeds age, and also how they fuel whole tank invasions.


If you want your tank fixed correctly take it apart and clean it 100% then put it back skip cycle clean after rinsing the sandbed and clearing rocks of waste detritus. No form of chemical dosing to water accomplishes this, cleaning is the right way to save your tank we have a big thread on successful disassembly cleaning if you want it done right and safe


If this tank below had those growths before he rip cleaned it, they'd be clear now as he made the tank cloudless in thorough skip cycle cleaning

Nuvo 10 Crash?

Hi everybody, new member and my first post so I hope this is the right place; I need help with my nuvo 10 ASAP! To begin, this nuvo 10 was set up about 3 months ago, cycled and all (came over from freshwater so not that much of a newbie). Easy coral was not added until a month ago and fish 3...

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This is for nano tanks. It's a lot of work for larger tanks and not feasible for a lot of people.

You don't need to clean your sand for a cyano outbreak. There are herbivores that will eat it like fighting conchs and cerith snails. It usually occurs due to food going uneaten. You can also get scavengers like brittle stars and nessarius snails that go after uneaten food.

 

[brandon429]

the only sandbed cyano work thread someone bothered to make calls it differently

Try n make a cyano correction thread Bret, start a work thread we watch you earn clean pics

 

[brandon429]

By page twenty, I'll be mighty curious to see your methods applied across tanks of all sorts and honestly large tankers need water tuning proof


For sure non rinse options are there. Due to inconsistency I never use em or recommend em

We have the majority of work as large tankers who do sand work in our thread and to leave a sandbed full of waste is a primary design issue, that can be redesigned during surgery. Getting hands in the bed to experience the waste in person is key in assessment I think

During cleaning, the keeper gets to decide if this setup technique is ideal and how the clouding in the bed helped or harmed, and how round two is going to go. Finding ways to stop permanent detritus sinking becomes a secondary benefit of large tank work, nano keepers are totally spoiled they know any design won't matter long term since accessible tanks are so easily cheat cleaned

Rip clean for a large tanker often results in them not resuming full sinking mode they either go bare bottom, or they read Blusops white sand thread and they stick stir, 99% make a stark change to detritus and that alone stops all cyano issues

Medicating or doing water adjustments or dosers or bottle bac for cyano is ok only when the design doesn't allow for waste storage. If the tank has clouding in the rocks or sand, no meds or dosers should be used as they're not addressing the cause but actually compounding it via sludge digestion accumulation.


Detritus management is the best cyano fixer until a counter work thread shows otherwise

 

[brandon429]

Official work thread summons: Cyano. Make your proof thread and link it

@BRS You're an industry leader, I'd like to see a thread, not a video, where you get cyano (mixed with Dino and any other coexpression) posted to your thread and we watch it fixed live time. Dosers you sell or techniques you advise are used live time across tanks Views on such a thread w be...

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The offer is now official.

 

[Bret Brinkmann]

the only sandbed cyano work thread someone bothered to make calls it differently

Try n make a cyano correction thread Bret, start a work thread we watch you earn clean pics

Okay so a few things here. First, I didn't mean to insinuate that it wouldn't work, only point out that there are other options available, especially for those unwilling or unable to take everything out and clean it. I apologize if I came off as rude, I didn't intend to.

I have taken time to read many of the links you posted and some of your sand rinse thread. While my approach to husbandry is different than yours, I think there will be some significant overlap so I plan on joining the conversation in the sand rinse thread soon.

As for making a new thread, I had desided against it a while back because it's hard to get threads like that started and I wanted to test things out first hand and long term. This is also partly why I spend so much time in the algae and invertebrates forums. To see if others are interested in trying my approach and what their results are.

By page twenty, I'll be mighty curious to see your methods applied across tanks of all sorts and honestly large tankers need water tuning proof

For sure non rinse options are there. Due to inconsistency I never use em or recommend em

We have the majority of work as large tankers who do sand work in our thread and to leave a sandbed full of waste is a primary design issue, that can be redesigned during surgery...

Detritus management is the best cyano fixer until a counter work thread shows otherwise

There used to be inconsistencies in rinsing sand but you and others have identified the variables and adjusted the technique. There may be inconsistencies in non rising options, but that something I am working on. So far I have had around 4 years of success with my 4 inch deep sand bed with no rinsing, several disturbance events, and no cleaning. While not as mature as your approach, I still believe it is worth sorting through the details in attempt to improve the technique's long term success and from other member here I can see I'm not the only one interested in this.

...Today's aquarists hesitantly and partially clean the tank, to avoid cycles, thinking bacteria can't handle a cleaning. We address that directly. Today's aquarists expect their systems to be low work, invader free, all without having the right grazer balances matched to conditions in their tank (random grazer additions work 10% of the time, and add new waste sources to your tank)

You become the grazer in this thread...

*You can command compliance from your aquarium from day one, we start by the first practice of total access, against the rules, with your initial sandbed rinse if you are setting up a new tank or planning a move to a new tank
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/nuvo-10-crash.630156/

right in that thread, we use rip cleaning to save the tank from a loss cascade/die off event...

A very extended cloudy water bloom, months and months, abated with a rip clean

Never ending bacterial bloom that returns once UV is removed

So I've had a 20 high tank set up since January. I added all dry rock, used some Dr.Tim's ammonia to start the cycle and waited. It's been cycled for a while now. It slowly got cloudy which I expected, so I waited. And waited. And waited, as everyone seems to say. It has not gone away. People...

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Again I'm still working through the sand rinse thread so I don't know yet how many large tanks are utilizing the strategy. I can say that outside of the sand rinse thread I read mostly about large tankers stating they would rather quit than rip clean. In the thread you linked about the "very extended cloudy water bloom" the last post from the OP even says they will not rip clean again but quite instead.

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I refuse to tear down my tank AGAIN for the same issue, if I'm tearing this tank down that's it, I'm done with saltwater, that's the end. I'm fixing the root cause or I'm fixing nothing at all...

That's why I want to develop an alternative approach, to give people more incentive to stay in.

The technique I am working on will be for waste conversion but I am not ready to start a thread on it yet. Until then, I go through the algae and invertebrate forums looking for patterns while trying to earn clean pics in other peoples threads instead of my own.

The inverts I have been working with so far are not randomly selected but perform a specific task in the complete nutrient cycle. I could be the grazer for my tank, but I'd rather have that grazer balance you mentioned.