Disease Treatment vs Management

[MrDellimore]

I have been going back and forth the last few weeks weighing the pros and cons of going fallow. This is my first reef tank and I have had 5 fish deaths over the course of 6 months. All fish were added without QT but my LFS Told me that he treated all his fish.

All the deaths were random and I have never seen any signs of illness or spots. At times I would see aggression between the fish so I though maybe that was the cause.

I have left the tank alone for 6 weeks now and there haven’t been any deaths. There are 4 fish in the tank and after doing my research I have been considering going fallow because I see two wrasses that run their gills on the rocks.

I setup a QT tank for any new additions but my fear is that my QT won’t matter if I introduce them to a display tank with some sort of disease.

My question is, if I go fallow how can I catch 2 wrasses, one tailspot blenny, and a yellow watchman goby? Also if I go fallow what should I treat for if the only questionable thing I notice is the fish rubbing it’s gills on rocks from time to time?

If I don’t go Fallow would adding new fish and putting them through QT be a waste of time?

 

[Big G]

For the wrasses, blenny, and goby, you're going to have to use a fish trap or move some rocks. Ugh.
Could dose the DT with Prazipro for suspected flukes on the wrasses. Can lose feather dusters, bristleworms, etc. though.
Fallow would starve out ich, velvet, brook but not uronema parasites in the DT.

Here's more info to help you with your decision: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/thread-links-to-all-things-quarantine-fish-inverts.602917/

 

[lion king]

@Big G made a good point, I would dose the tank with prazi pro, just in case of flukes. That sounds like if anything, it could be that, but fish die, and it may not be anything to do with your tank. Your losses could end up being far more substantial if you rip up the tank to get those fish out, sometimes it's better to let it ride. And just qt going forward, Most lfs do an awful job with treatment, many times they are not even doing a therapeutic dose, and many times over expose fish to poisons(meds), which in the end leads to premature death.

 

[MrDellimore]

Thanks for the feedback guys. I am considering adding a orchid Dottyback and will defiantly put it though QT. I am going to soak my food with general cure and seachem focus to hopefully help any potential issues.

I came across this product "Ruby Reef Rally PRO". It claims to be safe on inverts if i dose it to my display tank. Has anyone had any experience with this?

 

[lion king]

Thanks for the feedback guys. I am considering adding a orchid Dottyback and will defiantly put it though QT. I am going to soak my food with general cure and seachem focus to hopefully help any potential issues.

I came across this product "Ruby Reef Rally PRO". It claims to be safe on inverts if i dose it to my display tank. Has anyone had any experience with this?

It is a formalin based product, so do your research on formalin to see if this product is right for you. I would not use formalin with the species of fish I keep.

 

[Big G]

Thanks for the feedback guys. I am considering adding a orchid Dottyback and will defiantly put it though QT. I am going to soak my food with general cure and seachem focus to hopefully help any potential issues.

I came across this product "Ruby Reef Rally PRO". It claims to be safe on inverts if i dose it to my display tank. Has anyone had any experience with this?

It's a pretty good product for treating fish that have had parasites. It has both antiseptic and antibiotic qualities. So I use and recommend it for treating fish especially those that are experiencing velvet.

When a fish has velvet, the first step is to do a freshwater dip. The dip removes a tremendous number of the parasites that are feeding upon the fish. Then you take the fish immediately from the freshwater dip and place it into a 90 minute bath with Ruby Reef Rally.

This step of using the RRR immediately after the FW dip greatly increased survival rates, even in fish heavily infested with velvet.

Then the fish would go into a QT with copper to finish the treatment.

The thinking is that the RRR's antiseptic qualities help with the tremendous number of insertion points of the parasites by helping to prevent infection. And RRR's antibiotic qualities help treat any infection that may have already started from the parasites feeding upon the fish by supporting the fish's immune system by giving it time to fight off the bacterial infections that often are the final blow.

 

[Marc2952]

I have been going back and forth the last few weeks weighing the pros and cons of going fallow. This is my first reef tank and I have had 5 fish deaths over the course of 6 months. All fish were added without QT but my LFS Told me that he treated all his fish.

All the deaths were random and I have never seen any signs of illness or spots. At times I would see aggression between the fish so I though maybe that was the cause.

I have left the tank alone for 6 weeks now and there haven’t been any deaths. There are 4 fish in the tank and after doing my research I have been considering going fallow because I see two wrasses that run their gills on the rocks.

I setup a QT tank for any new additions but my fear is that my QT won’t matter if I introduce them to a display tank with some sort of disease.

My question is, if I go fallow how can I catch 2 wrasses, one tailspot blenny, and a yellow watchman goby? Also if I go fallow what should I treat for if the only questionable thing I notice is the fish rubbing it’s gills on rocks from time to time?

If I don’t go Fallow would adding new fish and putting them through QT be a waste of time?

I went through fallow a couple months ago and everything was going great until i added cuc, now i have ich again on my system. Tbh i feel going fallow is a waste unless you QT everything that goes into the tank. Im debating now if i should go fallow or just manage...

 

[Big G]

I QT everything that goes into my tank: fish, CUC, corals, macros, everything.

 

[Marc2952]

I QT everything that goes into my tank: fish, CUC, corals, macros, everything.

Yep thats the right way of doing it. Sadly if i add another tank my girl is gonna kick me out lol

 

[lion king]

Young people don't know what I am talking about, and lfs think I am crazy when I say I they should not have fish tanks plumbed in the same system as their coral, macro, or inverts. If you are not going to qt these things, you need to get from sources that do not run fish in the same system. Back in the day, that is how it was done. People today are a combination of stupid and lazy and it just rarely happens anymore. Purchasing from invert only sources, macro only sources, and coral only sources are much safer.

 

[Marc2952]

Young people don't know what I am talking about, and lfs think I am crazy when I say I they should not have fish tanks plumbed in the same system as their coral, macro, or inverts. If you are not going to qt these things, you need to get from sources that do not run fish in the same system. Back in the day, that is how it was done. People today are a combination of stupid and lazy and it just rarely happens anymore. Purchasing from invert only sources, macro only sources, and coral only sources are much safer.

I dont think theres any vendor out there ( atleast that i know off) that sells corals with no fish in the system since i see so many using wrasses and tangs for pests and algae. But i definitely agree with you

 

[lion king]

I dont think theres any vendor out there ( atleast that i know off) that sells corals with no fish in the system since i see so many using wrasses and tangs for pests and algae. But i definitely agree with you

Yes but those wrasses and tangs hopefully would have been properly qt'd, those fish become the shop pets. I'm talking about more specifically the lfs I see around town with all their systems connected. An invert rack plumbed right into a fish display. Dropping chaeto into cubicles in the same system they are putting away the day's fish shipment. so stupid; they are literally spreading disease all around town. Every snail and ball of chaeto a potential carrier. At least a few of lfs around do keep separate coral systems, they do have fish in them, I know at least 2 of them the fish were qt'd.

 

[WVNed]

The dieaseocentric view of all things.

 

[MrDellimore]

What is dieaseocentric?

 

[CindyKz]

Personally, I wouldn't put the livestock through the stress fo catching and moving them without a clear idea what I wanted to treat for.

Dosing the DT with prazipro seems reasonable if you're comfortable doing that. I would use an ammonia badge just in case you have unexpected die-off of inverts.

you didn't mention the variety of wrasse, but my yellow (H. chrysus) regularly dive bombs the sand looking for food.