Everyone sell your tank, fish, coral and equipment
Very funny!Everyone sell your tank, fish, coral and equipment
Instead, take up Fast Women and Slow Drinking
Dude, why don't you use that energy and experience to question and challenge a certain someone on this forum who gives out bad science advice to mostly brand new reefers and this particular person doesn't even own a tank nor does he keep fish. If you did that you'd have my full and unwavering support, not that you're looking for it.
25 years ago I was armed with Sprung volumes 1-4. The reading was like Marine Biology PHD course.
People see vibrant cool pictures and videos on social media and bring their over privileged wallet to the lfs, gear up, stock up and go. These people don’t consider that they are now responsible for live animals, nor appreciate the research and effort that is required. They just want pretty colours And it’s allll for their Instagram, or to show off, type of mentality.Anyone else seeing a dramatic rise of ppl that are new to the hobby and disregarding reefing guidelines?
Surely one would never go buy a rare type of dog without reading in depth on how to care for it, train it.... maybe ppl do just buy and figure it out later. What do i know?
I feel like a person in a Motorcycle Forum called Bike2Bike...with questions like,
"Is it okay to use first gear up until 65mph? And why does black smoke come out of my exhaust when I do this?"
"Can I ride backwards on my Harley and steer with my arms behind me? I wanna see where I've been"
I'm not understanding the total lack of discipline (common sense if you will) when entering a hobby, when you obviously know you have to do a lot of research for it.... yet a lot of ppl just seem to be winging-it
He has much to complain about.
She seems nice.Everyone sell your tank, fish, coral and equipment
Instead, take up Fast Women and Slow Drinking
Honestly it might have been. The original article I read has been removed. Basically sounded a bit blown up and dramatic… about how they are outlawing anything that is not Tank bred/grown/raised. And it wasn’t on a “city” level that they mentioned more like a state(?! I don’t know what you all call the subdivided areas in Canada). But whatever. Guess that just goes to show how messed up our world is. And I guess I just helped murky the waters… my bad!
So did the reefing guidelines that you were following over the past 17 years tell you to:
I've been reefing since 2004. Back when Compact Fluorescence lights were actually a thing.
2004-2010: Early years spent a TON of researching time on thereeftank.com, which was a site where it was mostly guys who started SW in the 80s. During these years had quite the MH setup over a 75g. Spent the first 6-9mos as FO and reading as much as I could on TheReefTank. Learned a ton of "reefing guidelines" from these old dudes. After I thought I was ready for corals maybe 9mos in, went thru 6yrs of AcroHell trying to do a mixed reef heavy on Acro. Got tried of losing a ton of Acros bc I was too lazy to follow Alk #s -vs- Alk spikes.
2010-2015: worked 20hrs a week at a local Coral shop. I was the lead tech where the Owner would bring in $1000 worth of corals every 1-2 weeks and I was the lead in fragging stuff. Also lead salesperson. Owner loved SPS so I left that work to him. He too failed over and over with Acros. He was a big Brightwell follower and kept burning up SPS with dosing Iodine. He wouldn't listen to me.....This job is where I fell in love with LPS, mostly zoanthids.
2015 - present: I now have a 6ft 180g with LED light and a tank full of zoas/palys.
I did from 2016-2018 go thru my Wrasse phase trying to keep multiple wrasses. They kept jumping out if the tank due to being territorial.
2018-2020 the Tang phase where I had too many Tangs, 3 to be exact in the 180. All reached full adult size and got territorial.
Present day: Now down to just one tang, one wrasse, several clowns, a tank full of zoas/palys.
I'm on R2R as my only form of social media entertainment..... Im not a quiet person (obviously) and I drag myself into trying to help ppl with my experience since 2004 and 5 yrs of Coral chop shop experience....Sorta like an experienced person on the sidelines saying,, "no, no, no don't do that! Arrrrgh!!"
but its getting harder to help ppl and overcome the amount ignorance (not stupidity, that's different) ....where one has to type out a 20 page dissertation on what ppl need to do to correct the wrong pathes they're going down.
I've had some good LFS owners before, but I rarely remember getting enough time to actually talk with them about stuff. Why? They would be talking up another customer for a half hour or so, going through all the ins and outs of an aquarium trying to make the sale. I've already done my research for the most part before hitting the store, I see what I want, maybe have a question or two, then bag it up and I'm gone. I've actually walked out of stores when the owner is busy talking up some one on what I believe can be had in a book, but I do understand that some people learn differently and may need that person to person talk.
Dude, why don't you use that energy and experience to question and challenge a certain someone on this forum who gives out bad science advice to mostly brand new reefers and this particular person doesn't even own a tank nor does he keep fish. If you did that you'd have my full and unwavering support, not that you're looking for it.
I will agree with you that it can be very frustrating when a new person comes on here and starts asking the most basic of questions but you find out that their tank is already wet and they have a couple of fish in it already. Certainly not the best way to go about things. However, it's not too late to be helpful with them.
.... because that task of helping endless ppl is like the pic above. Ppl who who have started building their own house with little knowledge and unaware there is a ton of research reading that they need to do before coming out to any forum asking for us to give them what they perceive is the single golden answer.
many answers that need to be given to ppl could take pages and pages of typing to get them straightened out. all knowledge that is already documented if one goes researching for it
too daunting of a task to help ppl UNLESS they have done the research and just need fine-tuning on their knowledge
I ain't gonna build someone's house for them....
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Totally agree. Seems like there are daily posts from "beginners" that are in over their head for many of the reasons already covered. Might suggest a new category on the header titled something along the lines of "new to the hobby?" Basic info could be provided to help get people off to a better start.
It's a start man. Tbh i do see you post and give sound advice and agree with most of it.
I've been reefing since 2004. Back when Compact Fluorescence lights were actually a thing.
2004-2010: Early years spent a TON of researching time on thereeftank.com, which was a site where it was mostly guys who started SW in the 80s. During these years had quite the MH setup over a 75g. Spent the first 6-9mos as FO and reading as much as I could on TheReefTank. Learned a ton of "reefing guidelines" from these old dudes. After I thought I was ready for corals maybe 9mos in, went thru 6yrs of AcroHell trying to do a mixed reef heavy on Acro. Got tried of losing a ton of Acros bc I was too lazy to follow Alk #s -vs- Alk spikes.
2010-2015: worked 20hrs a week at a local Coral shop. I was the lead tech where the Owner would bring in $1000 worth of corals every 1-2 weeks and I was the lead in fragging stuff. Also lead salesperson. Owner loved SPS so I left that work to him. He too failed over and over with Acros. He was a big Brightwell follower and kept burning up SPS with dosing Iodine. He wouldn't listen to me.....This job is where I fell in love with LPS, mostly zoanthids.
2015 - present: I now have a 6ft 180g with LED light and a tank full of zoas/palys.
I did from 2016-2018 go thru my Wrasse phase trying to keep multiple wrasses. They kept jumping out if the tank due to being territorial.
2018-2020 the Tang phase where I had too many Tangs, 3 to be exact in the 180. All reached full adult size and got territorial.
Present day: Now down to just one tang, one wrasse, several clowns, a tank full of zoas/palys.
I'm on R2R as my only form of social media entertainment..... Im not a quiet person (obviously) and I drag myself into trying to help ppl with my experience since 2004 and 5 yrs of Coral chop shop experience....Sorta like an experienced person on the sidelines saying,, "no, no, no don't do that! Arrrrgh!!"
but its getting harder to help ppl and overcome the amount ignorance (not stupidity, that's different) ....where one has to type out a 20 page dissertation on what ppl need to do to correct the wrong pathes they're going down.
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