DKOSDROS's 75 GAL REEF BUILD

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Welcome to the chronicle of my 75 gallon reef build.
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Staring June 1st and hopefully completed by end of August. Shhhh don’t tell Mrs. K I am planning on having it up and running well before then.

We recently moved into a new house and I was given the green light my Mrs K to set back up my reef tank in the basement, aka new man cave. So I sold my 55 gallon pre-drilled reef tank recently in order to upgrade to a 75 gallon. I had a custom sump I made out of acrylic that I used for years. It fit in the stand under the 55gal. It had a skimmer area, bubble traps, fuge, return area with enough room for my heaters, and an ATO area.

So my plan is this. I bought a 75 gal used tank off a buddy at work. I bought a 1500gph overflow kit with a ¾ return kit and they both come with hole saws. I am nervous about drilling the tank but everyone says they were and it went fine. The bottom of the 75 gal had a sticker that said Tempered Glass do not drill. So I did the computer screen test on the glass and the bottom appears to be the only one that is tempered. Hopefully I am right about that because Mrs. K WILL NOT BE HAPPY. I plan on building this built into the wall flush with the man cave and having the sump and everything else in the storage room behind it.
I am still debating on if I should keep my custom sump. At this point it just holds sentimental value I think. It does function as well. The downside is it measures only 9- 9 1/2 by about 47. So it is limited in size. I have run into a few issues with dealing with its size. I am in search of a new skimmer and most skimmers would max out that size space I had (9x9 skimmer chamber) or not fit at all. So I have narrowed it down to two skimmers that will fit into my current size sump. I estimated it holds about 30-40gal.
My other idea is since I don’t need to put the sump under my stand anymore that I can really use whatever size sump I want. So I was thinking of getting a 30 or 40 breeder or maybe even a 55 gal used off someone and just adding own acrylic baffles and chambers. I like this idea because then I am not limited on equipment choices due to the size. I am really leaning to this direction unless someone sees a downside to this.

Skimmer: I plan on going with one of these; Aqua C EV with the JG fitting with a mag 7 pump, or the TIA1150, or the Bubble Magus NAC7.I am trying to get something that is rated for around 150gph. I use to have a sea clone 150 but I never felt it worked as well as other skimmers out there.

Lighting: I was originally going to go with a T5HO unit but then after some research decided to go with the Current USA Orbit Marine LED system. I’ve seen similar units at the LFS. They used the Marineland ones and they were decent and I think the Orbit ones will be a step above these. Also the LFS uses just one 48-60 on their 4ft long tank so I decided to get two of the Orbit units to make sure I can keep what I want. If I need to turn back the units for less intensity that is ok all I can think it will do is prolong their life. But I liked that they run cooler than all other lights out there, no bulb replacement and I’ve read people are getting good coral growth and they are pleasing on the eyes and fully customizable. They come with a controller that can change intensity and color, replicate cloud cover, dawn to dusk, as well as thunderstorms. They are sleek looking to. They also come with a remote and I can use one remote to control both units. The lights should be in this week and I can’t wait to check them out in person.

Heaters: I have two 250watt ebo jagers that if they still work I plan on using in my sump. I’d like to get something as strong but smaller. I haven’t done much research in this area yet so I am open to suggestions here.

Pumps: For my return pump I plan on going with a Mag9.5 it should run around 685-740gph which will give me great turnover. For circulation I also plan on getting a Jabao WP 40 or 60 with controller. I want a good amount of flow but I don’t want to blow my sand to the moon. I am open to suggestions here. Most reviews I have read people have placed them high in the tank and sometimes even reduced the power to keep the sand in place. I would like to get 30-40x turnover in my tank.

RO/DI: I have an Oceanus 4 stage system. Problem is the company no longer exists. I found a company called purleyh2o and I believe they are the same company, making the same units. During out move my unit ended up getting damaged. We had it in a storage POD and I had water in the unit. It ended up freezing and cracked the smaller white canister on top as well as one of the clear canisters that hang on the bottom. So I need to contact them to A. see if they can replace the canisters, and B. if they can replace the filters. I’d like to order an inline TDS meter and install that as well as figure out how I can make the unit turn off when the ATO is filled.

Controllers: I plan on getting an APEX Jr. or regular. I just cannot decide which one would be best for me. I know the Jr comes with 4 outlets to control which I would have Skimmer, Powerhead(s), Heaters, and return pump on. My lights have their own controller so I don’t think I need them on one of the outlets. And I would get the ATO add on and hook my ATO as well as other float switches for alarms and what not. I like the temp probe, and other probes that you can add on. I just don’t fully understand the limitations of the JR. My ideal set up would be a temp probe in tank and maybe sump, PH probe, ORP Probe, Salinity Probe. I would like to be able to access my tank from the web and get text & email alerts. My ultimate goal is to automate and monitor everything I can to keep the tank running. One day I would even like the tank to do its own weekly water change. This way if we leave on vacation I can know my tank is safe on its own and not have to fully rely on family or friends. I really need advice here. I keep leaning towards getting the full APEX for I have a feeling I will be adding on everything anyways.

The rest of my set up will consist of getting about 75-120 lbs of base rock and seeding it with some local live rock. I am going to do last time what I did with the certain kind of play sand. That seemed to work out good last time. I like the look of black sand but people say you don’t get reflection back up into the tank and to not use it. I already have it on hand so I am torn on what to do. I am going to give the Dr. Tims fishless cycling kit a try. I have always hated the cycling process and the smell of a rotting shrimp and the mess it makes after. I feel this will be a better route this time to go. Especially so I can keep Mrs. K happy about the whole process. It is a little costly running around $70 but I think it will prevent me from a headache and will make sure my cycle completed quickly and easily.

The main focus in the tank will hopefully be a RBTA with a hosted pair of clowns. I also want to get a blue hippo tang, a cleaner shrimp. Possibly another anemone with a sexy shrimp and then will get into other easy to keep corals especially ultra colorful yuma’s and work my way up to harder and harder as the tank matures. I understand the Anemones should be in a mature tank and I will be patient and just stock the fish and work on maintaining stable water parameters for many months before I even attempt to put an anemone in. Based on what I have read 6 months seems to be good although most push for tank up at least a year.

I also have a two fishies chamber thingy. I used carbon in it last time I had my tank going. I don’t really remember how to use it. I will have to look that up. Im sure I will need to run carbon or something else in it at some point and should plan now to have it in the sump somewhere.

So the lights will be in this week and so should the overflow kit and returns with the hole saws. Next update will be on either of those and how they go. I am probably going to order my return pump this week as well and get that shipped out.
Sorry this one was so long. I promise the next updates will be more fun, light and short. Thanks for tagging along and I welcome all feed back.

-Mr. K
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My gl*******s overflow and return kit arrived yesterday. That was super fast shipping on their part. I opened the box quick and checked out the packaging. They do a nice job packaging it all. The quality of it all looks really good. Its not cheap acrylic but good sturdy thick black acrylic. I didn't have time to snap a picture of it but you will see it all as I piece it all together. I think I talked Mrs. K into helping me drill the holes tomorrow night after work. It is usually our date night so I might have to throw dinner in beforehand. I will be sure to document how that goes. The drilling that is. And by drilling I mean of the tank, not Mrs. K., she wouldn't appreciate me documenting that. :rockon: although I am sure many out there would. She's a hottie.

My lights arrived today. There was this big box left outside with a sticker on it that said HEAVY handle with care. So Mrs. K left it there. When I got home I go to grab it and prepare myself for the lift. Well there was nothing to it. The box almost felt empty. I brought it in and said are you kidding with me? and Mrs. K said no why? I said very funny you removed my lights from the box. Very funny now give them back. She looked at me like I had 8 eyes. So I chuckled and was going to let her have her laugh as I opened the box. Low and behold there was my 2 sets of lights. Holy these things weigh nothing. I am not kidding. Lets just say the box itself and all the peanuts weighed more than the two units. I opened one of the units to try it out. Everything went together with ease. Very simple labels on the wiring and controller. They were up and on in about 15 seconds. They are AWESOME. The one unit puts out a ton of light. I can't wait to see the tank with both of them on there. Its one of those lights that when you point it directly at you, you have to squint because it is so bright. I am hoping I made the right decision with these. They are so sleek and slim looking. Very similar to the Marineland ones. Just these seem to put out way more light and I love the controller with the remote. I didn't tinker with the settings to much yet. Since you have to set up the clock and then go from there. I did probably do what every person who has before me and after me will do when they turn on the lights did, and that is check out the lighting storm and cloud modes. OMG it is so cool. It is hard to tell what the lighting will look like on the tank just holding up but I bet it will look nice. The cloud patterns you can tell right away are going to mimic passing clouds. The key was to make my tank as simple and as realistic as possible.

Ok here are some quick pics I snapped of everything. As I get setting up I will get more detailed pics or let me know if there is one in particular you want.

Here is the two units in the box side by side
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Here is an up close look at the LED layout in the unit itself through the box
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The controller and remote control. The range is pretty far. Mrs K was on one end of the house and I was at the other end and it worked just fine. The Display on the controller is a cool blue. But it is bright. I can see how it might bother some people if the tank is where you sleep or need all darkness. Mine will be mounted in a controller box that will have a door on it I am making in the wall so this won't be an issue.
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Some specs
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image by smileddog, on Flickr


I did a little more research on the fuge. Since I am planning out what to do there. I think I am going to go with the miracle mud. 1 inch in the fuge. with Chaeto tumbling on top of it with a small power head for the tumbling and my coralife lite I already have under there on for 18 hours or so. I can fine tune it as needed but seems this will be the most ideal set up to help me keep phosphates and Nitrites/nitrates down. <- always get them confused.

I was looking into getting a squid wavermaker to add on the return and do two inlets for better water circulation. But after research and seeing how much they need to be cleaned and failed I opted to just make sure I get (2) either MP40's or MP60's and that way its less maintenance and they are more reliable and I can fine tune the flow better to make sure no dead spots and to please corals/anemones.

I also looked into the whole Bayer dipping process. Seems like its a heated debate right now. But to be watching some of these videos where these corals are suffering and you cant see with the naked eye why and then to watch the Bayer dip work and literally see with your own eyes the worms just crawling right off and die was pretty impressive. So many reefers commenting on how they have been doing it since 2010-2011 ish. so 4 years and counting and still no reported short or longterm negatives.
I do feel that eventually a reef product will figure out the active ingredient in Bayer that is working and isolate and use it in their product. But for the time being as it usually goes the DIY'ers and Tinkers have figured out a solution that seems to be working. I will most likely be dipping my corals this way to make sure from day 1 that I don't bring anything unwanted into my reef that could later cause headaches and much trouble and or money to correct. Unless there is a product that is reef safe and is 100% guaranteed to kill everything. Which I haven't seen the proof that one can do this yet. Where as Bayer is proving itself thus far. I am sure its a hot topic and I probably should have kept where I stand on it. But as of now that is where I stand. I will keep up on the topic and do more research prior to doing it when the time comes ready.

Ordering my Mag9.5 return pump tomorrow. Found a rebate sale going on to get $15 back on the purchase with a American Express Gift card. So I will get that and apply it towards other gear at the LFS along with my gift certificates.

That is it for now. Hopefully I will be able to report back with good news the drilling went well. If I don't ever report back that means it didn't go well and well Mrs. K did what she promised she would do to me if it didn't work. :neutral:
 
Guess what?!!? I am still alive. You know that means it was a success. Yaaaaaaay!!! I have to give props to Mrs. K. She was a trooper. I told her we both should wear some sort of safety glasses. I grabbed a pair of my old sunglasses. I am pretty sure she grabbed her Coach ones. The overflow kit was awesome. The directions were easy to follow and understand. Plus I watched a ton of videos to make sure I knew what to expect. I would recommend to anyone who needs to drill their tank it was very easy. Each hole took about 3-5 minutes although it felt much longer. We did the two overflows and the return. Looks great. I threw it up temporarily so I could take some pictures. I am going to remove it all and paint the back and trim black. Then reattach it all. Ordering the Mag 9.5 tonight. And then will be a week or so while I save up to get the skimmer. Soon we will begin demolition and construction on the wall so we can place the tank and really get things going.

Today I did some research on rotifiers/phytoplankton. Seems like tanks thrive that are being given these. Looks like you can self cultivate them for cheap and keep going with it. I plan to go this route because I like the whole principle. Seems like I need a dosing pump & cultures. I would like a way to be able to automatically add it to the ATO so it gets added throughout the day. I read that if I go this route without refrigeration that by the time it reaches the tank it will be dead. But also read that it won't matter, the corals will still consume it dead or alive. One plan was to have water come out of the rotifiers to get added to the tank at the same time tank water is being added back to the rotifiers. This would keep the refreshing the water with food for the rotifiers while supplying the tank with new rotifiers. the I want to do more research. Trying to have a thriving tank, but keep maintenance down and keep it simple and self sustaining as much as I.

Check out some drilling pics and the final outcome.


Here is everything you get with the 1500GPH kit and the 3/4 Return Kit
image by smileddog, on Flickr

I taped it up in the spot I wanted it. Tried to get it as far up to the top as possible. This way my tank water line was above the trim and didnt fall below it when up and running. It would be unpleasant on the eyes IMO if it was below the trim.
image by smileddog, on Flickr

Once we got the template taped into place we put a blanket under the tank and got the hose ready. Barley applied any pressure and kind of just let the drills own weight do the work. Had clutch set to lowest setting so the drill wouldn't jam and chip or crack glass. I think that part is key. Just let the bit glide on the surface and if it snags let the drill just stop and start over again. But it seemed to cut like butter.
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One hole down, two to go
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When we were finished I temporarily placed the overflow box to make sure it all fit nicely and it did.
image by smileddog, on Flickr

image by smileddog, on Flickr

I placed the return on the opposite end of the tank. So that way there is good flow with just the overflow and return. Will be even better when I add some powerheads.
image by smileddog, on Flickr

image by smileddog, on Flickr

Thanks for following along. Up next should be paint and then demo/construction on the basement wall where the tank is going.
 
Well it's been almost 2 years and I have great news to share. The basement has been renovated, I built my tank in the wall and I also built a dedicated fish tank room behind it. Stay tuned for all the pics and details coming shortly. Oh and I started cycling my tank yesterday.
 
Here is near the end of construction. Built the tank into the wall so it's facing out into the main entertainment area.

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Finding anything I can to help hold up the rocks I glued using Jurassic Gel. Worked great but everything has to be glued when dried and not in the wet tank or it won't work.

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Painted my PVC pipe by taping off ends so they were clean to glue to. Looked great. A few times I scratched it when installing and a few pieces I ended up cutting shorter and needed to scrape off paint but overall I liked the look.

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This is in the dedicated fish tank room. It's about a 6ft by 8ft room. These are two 44 gal Brute containers to hold my fresh and mixed water. Awesome RO/DI unit. I love the auto shut off and I installed two float shut offs since this picture.

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Here is the quarantine tank with some shelving above and below it. It's a small 10 gal tank that I'll keep going just using the water from the main display and when I do a water change I'll bring it to this. It won't be plumbed in or anything so I can keep it completely separated.

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Here is the backside of the tank, painted black, used gate valves on drain and return lines for precise control and they always open and close easily. Have had a hard time with the ball valves so I try not I use those. I used unions where I could and I have put it all together and torn all the piping off several times to make sure I can do that at any time if needed with no issues. I used the George Fisher check valve and that has worked great. I got a 1/2 inch distribution bar for auxiliary items, got the fuge tumbling chaeto a friend gave me from their system.

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Here's where eventually an Apex Controller will go. For now it has my cheap light timer for fuge and has the LEF lights plugged in here.

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One of the best decisions I made was to put a floor drain in this room. It cost me $500 to have someone come in and install it but it was well worth it. My RO unit dumps waste water right into it, I can dump my test kit water into it, wash out buckets and what not. So convenient, I also installed a hose outlet on the wall so I could hook up the RO unit and a garden hose to have easy access to water. Plus it gives me peace of mind it something fails like tank, sump or water reservoirs then the basement isn't destroyed. Instead it will rush down the drain before doing major damage.

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Up close of fuge. The light goes on opposite of display lights, I built the baffles with 1/4 acrylic from a plastics company locally, they actually gave me their scrap pieces laying around for free rather then have me buy a whole sheet which I did back when I built my first tank. I used 100% silicone as well as marine epoxy but I feel the silicone is really what's holding them in place. Works great for baffles but I wouldn't build a sump out of acrylic and glass and silicone and expect it to hold a seal. I've done the power out test to see if my sump holds the extra water and it does and then some.

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The chaeto I started with from a friend. It has a nice tumble going on and I hope it stays that way. Not going with sand or anything in fuge at this time other than Chaeto.

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Enough of the fish room, here is the display side of the tank. I love this. It's been a dream of mine to do this project. It's finally all coming together after years and years of day dreaming and planning. I love that it's so quiet when watching the display. The fish tank room takes all that noise which is nice. I can enjoy the tank for its visual Beauty and not the sound that goes with a reef tank with a sump.

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Yesterday I started my Cycle. I opted to use Dr Tims One and Only Live Nitrifying Bacteria along with their Ammonium Chloride Solution. I added the entire 8oz bottle. It says it treats 120 gallons. Which I think is right around where my water volume is. Yes I have a 75 gallon display and a 55 gallon sump but the sump isn't filled with water so I'm guess I have a little less than 120 gallons but it says that you cannot overdose with this stuff. So i believe I am ok. I added the bottle to the display and the sump. I took out my filter socks and turned off the skimmer. It was cloudy when I added it to the water which they say is normal. I then added 120 drops of the ammonium chloride. It said to add 1 drop per gallon. I was worried I didn't buy a big enough bottle of that stuff it's a 2 ounce bottle and it should last me doing 120 drops probably 8 times or more. So I will have plenty because I shouldn't need to do it more than 2-3 times. I tested my water and these were my results. I can't remember if I did them before or after but I'm pretty sure I did them before so I had a base to start off with.

I'm guessing I had ammonia register right off the bat because I used dry rock that still had some debris on it. I used aragonite that was still damp even though it wasn't labeled live. And I had the water in my tank circulating for a few days before the Dr Tims stuff arrived. I also had the filter socks on trying to catch any debris in the water column.
5/1/16
Temp 78
PH 8.2
Ammonia .8

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The Dr Tims website/video tells you to then test 24 hours later. So today I tested and these were my results.

5/2/16
Temp 78
Ammonia .8-1.2
Nitrite .5
Nitrate 2

I didn't add more ammonium. I will test tomorrow to see it the numbers drop or are increasing still. If they drop to near zero I'll add 120 more drops of it and then wait 24 hours and retest. Basically it sounds like I'll keep doing this until I add the 120 and see the next day everything is at zero or close to it. It claims and reviews also claim that their cycles were completed within 5-7 days on average. My last tank I did the shrimp cycle where I let a shrimp just rot in the tank. I knew the wife wasn't going to let that happen again. So I figure for $30 I could bypass the horrible odor as well as shave off some time. Once the cycle completes I will hopefully see Diatoms and then throw in a small cleanup crew, a cleaner shrimp, and probably a pair of clownfish. Not all at once of course. I plan on dipping all my corals and fresh water dipping my fish as well as treating the QT tank with PraziPro and keeping them in the QT tank for about 5 days to observe. Longer if I have any suspicion of anything being off.
 
Well done!
 
Today's test results Temp 78 Salinity 1.025, PH 8.2 Ammonia 1.2 Nitrite 1 Nitrate 5

Not sure why ammonia would have gone up a little. Nonetheless I'm going to not do anything and wait until tomorrow and reset to see what happens.
 

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