Does Anyone Ever Set Up A Tank And NOT Have Problems?

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I've yet to set up my tank..hoping for September. I've read and read and read everything on here and think I'm ready to get going. But....I see thread after thread of members setting up tanks, months go by, they look great and then BLAM...everything goes to hell. Is this par for the course in our hobby or is there a way to side step those events? You would think with careful planning and knowledge you might be able to sneak past it.
Thoughts?
 
There are bound to be issues along the way. It happens to us all. The way you address them is the key though. Knee jerk reactions or solutions in a bottle tend to do more harm than good.

Recognizing when something is wrong, determining the cause and creating a sustainable plan to fix it. And of course, if something seems wrong and you’re not sure why... ask for help!
 
There is a learning curve to this hobby, nobody can deny that. Since I have been on the forum "most" of what I have seen are things that can be avoided with a little homework, some are alge problems that tend to happen to all tanks, some freak accidents or self inflicted pain (like not quaratining). I have had my share of problems, but I learn as I go, just as you will. I am learning to ask questions before I do something or buy something, because "somebody" on here has either done it or seen it and can share their knowlege or experiences. Hey, if it was an easy hobby everyone would be doing it!
 
The only tank that I’ve seen that didn’t encounter a problem was dry with stuffed animals in it.

It wasn’t that compelling, so most of us just dive in and know there will be challenges coming.
 
I think so many people have so many problems with new tanks is because there is just too much information, too many opinions and too much that you can buy to offset problems, most of which will just make it worse.
Many people, especially Noobs don't have the experience to know how a tank cycles over a couple of years, not just a couple of weeks. People see some algae or cyano and ask for advice. That's when the trouble starts. They then add all sorts of things to counter act the algae or cyano, both of which are normal, natural things especially in a new tank and are needed to allow the tank to naturally cycle and for the bacteria to multiply in the amounts and types that will allow the tank to mature correctly without being short circuited by chemicals.
New tanks look lousy. They are supposed to. That lousy phase, if allowed to age by itself, will eventually become a problem free beautiful reef.

Also the majority of advice is given by noobs without the experience to give correct advice. For instance a Noob may encounter hair algae and then they will add an Aardvark along with Rogain and the algae will disappear. They will then spread that advice and people will try it and it will work. Almost anything works because hair algae normally leaves on it's own, Aardvark or not.
 
Very very funny Paul
Yep. If you expecting a pristine tank don't add water. Stuff grows in nature and its going to grow in your tank. Tanks going to hell is a matter of opinion. You have read a lot of what not to do and how not to fix it. Just follow best practices in setting up your tank by people that have had tanks for many many years, and you will be fine. Dont be like a lot of people in believing that a pill or potion is going to cure stuff. Nature has a way of balancing itself out after we screw it up.
Problems are chances to learn.
Have fun with your new tank and enjoy your learning experiences.
 
This hobby is a representation of patience. Patience isn't just about being able to go slowly or wait, it's about being able to encounter problems and deal with them without becoming upset or emotional.

I'm positive if you look at truly thriving tanks and reefers you will notice that these individuals might be many things; but I promise they will not be easily discouraged or overly emotional about setbacks.
 
You will have problems. There's no avoiding it. But you can reduce the amount of issues if you set up the tank appropriately.
 
Running a successful tank is very formulaic unless you want to keep certain difficult things. You shouldn't do that until you have the experience too.
Keep 1 fish alive first. Then 2. Then...
You not only have to grow your tank but your knowledge as well.
A low bioload in the tank gives you more time to react. Things go bad slower.
It gives you time to learn.
Throwing a money bomb at the tank seems to hurt more than help many. It doesn't take a lot of stuff to have a good simple tank you can be happy with.
 
A reef is a wild card fpr approximately 2 years. Be ready to get discouraged. Then realize you are getting discouraged and remember you were ready for it and prepared for it and push through. Issue come and go. You will have them but if you plan on keeping a tank for 2 years you won't be disappointed.

I won't lie it's really difficult. I have been keeping reef tanks for 16 years. I just upgraded my tank to a large custom tank with all my dream equipment 4 months ago. I am in the hair algae stage. I got discouraged because I planned everything to prevent this from happening ing and thought I had everything figured out by researching and my own experiences. I got to the point I that I ordered medication for it. The I recognized that I was discouraged and I had planned for this. Since I recognized it, I accept it and feel so much better about the hair algae in my tank. I planned for it.

You will survive all the issues and be rewarded by the outcome! It won't go as you planned but you will learn and grow from it.
 
I've yet to set up my tank..hoping for September. I've read and read and read everything on here and think I'm ready to get going. But....I see thread after thread of members setting up tanks, months go by, they look great and then BLAM...everything goes to hell. Is this par for the course in our hobby or is there a way to side step those events? You would think with careful planning and knowledge you might be able to sneak past it.
Thoughts?

I bet 90% of fish and coral fatalities result from not being quarantined. If everyone quarantined, the only problem remaining is nuisance algae.
 
Hello,

The first thing you have to remember is that this is life, it has its own ecosystem. As much as we try and fail we can never control Mother Nature. My best advice is once your tank is up and running leave it alone. Life has its own ways of working things out. Yes, you will need to do water changes and some basic stuff. But for example I had no issues with my tank until I added a third light. Then I had a few problems, that I had to take care of. These are living critters and sadly everything will eventually die, including their care keepers. But for me it is hard and emotional because I try and do the best I can for them. I’m directly responsible for these critters lives. If it happens naturally then it happens and yes I’m still sadden by it. It’s way worse when I do something that caused it.

Expect to make mistakes and expect to have things go south. It doesn’t always happen that way, I have had some problems but was able to correct it most of the time. At the same time reef tanks are time consuming and as I even found out, it can really haunt you if you don’t take care of things. The ocean has its own checks and balances but our tanks are simply too small to do that on their own.

As some may have or did point out, there are so many different ways and views it’s insane. An example is best led lights can go on forever. What you have to realize is that you have to buy the item and you have to like it. So really the only opinion that matters is really your own. (Not to be confused with advice). R2R has the most lovely people and behind the scope of knowledge. Asking for advice and help is one thing, trying to copy and mimick another reefers tank may not be the best idea simply because every system is different. They are all cared for in so many different ways that the same corals that does great in my tank my just do horrible in a system five times more expensive then mine and vice versa. Build your tank based on your own research and based on advice. (Sorry if I sound confusing).

But an example would be you want an sps dominant tank and want the best leds. Most possibly will say radions or hydras. That is two options out of thousands, and price really doesn’t mean it’s that much better. Same example with equipment, it’s personal choice some like for example ac return pumps and some like dc only because they are super quiet. I went with dc because I wanted a very quiet tank, but both return pumps ac or dc have good and bad features to them.

The one thing you should always remember is what made you like this hobby in the first place. I love the ocean, I’d love to live next to a reef just not able to atm. So having my own ocean in my living room is dream come true. I wake up and there is my ocean with the clean sand and critters and life everywhere. ( granted I can’t walk on the beach etc) but you get the idea.

So have fun and good luck and always ask for help if you need.

Sarah
 
Just remember, ask to see the guys tank before listening, its not hard either, in my experience any reefer worth his weight in salt (ha) is very enthusiastic about showing off the tank
 
We have to think of this as a hobby and not a contest. A hobby is a way of spending spare time in a way that you enjoy and nothing more. We are not, unfortunately, curing cancer or male pattern baldness. :rolleyes:

This "hobby" is not important to anyone but us and our fish. Very few people outside the hobby care one bit about what we are doing.
If a fish dies, get over it, I eat fish almost every day and had quite a few calamari last night. If you are holy, Jesus ate fish, maybe he gave them last rites, but I doubt it.

I just moved my very old tank 60 miles. There is some hair algae starting to grow and some cyano. I like it and find it interesting. When a long time goes by and there are no "problems," (I call them Issues) I get bored. Stamp collecting seems silly to me as does golf, and I live on a golf course. :p

Hair algae, cyano, flatworms, ich, and Godzilla larve are parts of this hobby that make it fun. It's not a race and there is no end. You have to like messing around with your tank and like the way it looks, no one else. Just have fun. :D
 
I never really had any major problems in the past. Cyano outbreak once or twice. Not a catastrophy. Diatoms - again, not a catastrophy.

Go slow. The only thing that happens fast in a reef .. is the crash.

I've been out of the hobby for 6yrs. I'm jumping back in. I started reading forums again. Same old stuff -- newbs set up a tank and 2 weeks later they have 8 corals and 5 fish. Chemistry is all out of whack and livestock is sick, dying or already dead.

Go slow. I let my first tank sit and cycle with live rock for 4 or 5 weeks before I even bought that first damsel.

Have I mentioned - go slow? Because if I haven't -- GO SLOW. You want high speed excitement, get an RC airplane or build a drag car. Pick up a girlfriend or 3. That'll keep you excited -- and broke.

Patience young padwon. A fancy reef you cannot have - without the patience of a jedi.
 
It’s very easy to start a tank and run it without problems given no hardware bad luck like power outages. I’m doing that with more than one tank in threads and in messages, all you have to do is keep your sandbed clean and the rocks manually cleared of algae in the beginning


The reason you read about all the lost tanks, bleached corals and invasions is due to following old hands off rules where uglies cycled in and out of the tank, everyone starves nutrients to try and rid the tank of manifested invasions, that’s the whole trick, not doing the old school way

About 75% of the invasion assistance messages I get are from tankers who did not start out hand guiding, they’re years into an invasion and ready to start some hesitant work having tried the common options and nutrient detailing, actually killing the invader and doing the work it takes to keep clouding filthy detritus out of their tanks still takes more convincing even though they’re asking to be uninvaded... it’s purely a psychology of hesitation. ..tank invasions and losses when not hardware failures are usually human caused due to information and motivation system differences, they’re not very hard to beat biologically. It’s hard to convince someone to uninvade their tank, it’s usually not hard to make it occur. It’s amazing how much people actually want to hold on to an invader...refuse to kill it, refuse to clean the filthy sandbed feeding it over five worms they’ve never seen in the bed. even though the title of their thread is they’re about to leave reefing due to an invasion, and not because they cannot see the worlds most important worms in their sandbed...reefing psychology will soon become its own realm aside from reefing biology go ahead and stamp that as fact, we are working to get the word out.

So the polar opposite of invaded tank destiny behavior is day 1 when you make a reef using rules of access, and farming no invader. What you buy doesn’t matter, how much reef crap you will tolerate from your system is what matters, the resolute forty out of forty accept nothing but coralline and coral and they work to get that and they always send me the proof pics ~

Large tank keepers often advise hands off, waste storage reefing from the 90s to all current reef keepers but it’s not correct that the masses reef well like that, the lucky do. you can get biological compliance in forty out of forty new tanks after a year in threads if they’re hand cleaned. If they’re ran by someone who advises hands off, allow what may reefing, more than half are invaded and gone well before one year I’ve seen this pattern for years now. Very rarely do proponents of a given system have examples other than their own reefs to show, how information is replicated by others matters more than someone’s home reef.


Only go hands off when your reef is mature and you are ok with risking loss to invasion, or don’t stop cleaning it and it’ll just run normally. The risk is over work, but not loss.

Learn to back off the cleaning work after your rocks and coral and coralline and grazer balances do the excluding for you, use all up manual work until then, allow no uglies and you’ll never be invaded or lose to an invasion

Don’t stack your rocks in a wall, make accessible rock coral bommies that can simply be lifted out of the tank and manually cleared of algae vs stripping nutrients and dosing this or that to your invaded tank hoping the item will remove an invader we allowed to gain in mass.

Consider not even adding a sandbed until a year later into maturation, this makes early hand guiding much easier

Don’t add fish until your system is already showing compliance with early hand guiding and corals are doing well and your algae work is under control, fish provide massive nutrient boosts to the system and early fish use of the nongrazer type is fully implicated in tank invasion work threads using solely thousands of other people systems as study

Pack corals when new, feed them well, change water, hand kill algae using kill not suppression methods, allow coralline to take over, plant more corals and wait to add fish until cruise control is going, all tricks to be opposite of the thirty year methods we’ve used that allow tanks to be invaded shortly after setup. It was even incorrect that more gallons makes for a stabler reef...no, whichever reef you can access all the water and all the substrate as needed is the stabler reef, volume has nothing to do with anything in reefing if a one gallon system is third oldest of anyone posting here...access rules the day if you want to force a win using physical means up until the pure art of biological tank arrangement can do the work for you

Quarantine of fish rules the day nowadays, fallow systems, use that until something better comes along. *owing to the universal differences of things that happen in someone’s home reef vs what happens across forty public reefs in a thread, tank transfer and fallow and quarantine is not beaten by any other method to give the best hedge against fish disease. What Humblefish has done, with threads using other peoples money, by the thousands now documented, is not beaten by anything as of July 2018 so it’s the best cure and prevention science we have. I’m aware garlic cured someone else’s crypto. Or live ocean mud etc or feeding clams and mussels all aware, but HF method has repeatability and it’s actually shown in more than three living examples

I guess my final point is, be careful where one gets procedural info, it’s amazing how much does actually not translate well from the home of a master into mass reefing...the tendency is to stay safe (no work threads of others tanks) and only comment about what works in the ocean or at home on a single example.


Consider consulting tank turnaround work threads so you can reverse engineer what caused the loss of many old tanks before a new tank is set up. you’ll see a pattern of exactly this for the invaded: purposefully farming with nearly thousand-yard stare intensity the very invader they hate and want help correcting. Insert the reasons why they farmed mass on purpose (my phosphate is high/low, my nitrate is high/low, I can’t clean my sandbed it has worms, my tank is too big to clean, I can’t clean my rocks there are too many stacked, I can’t remove detritus as someone with an old reef told me to keep it, my gfo is almost tuned but my corals are bleaching and I’ll hold further, I just hesitantly cleaned my sandbed although it still cant pass a drop test but you want me to clean it AGAIN-no that’s too much partial work, I don’t have time)


Dog whisperer Caesar Milan already said what he rehabilitates, now just apply that tenet to reefing and our hobby sustainability will increase massively. We’re still killing our own reef animals we’d never actually kill on purpose if we mapped out ahead of time how this game was going to go down



Caesar Milan impacted my reefing big time. The exercise he talked about as number one on hierarchy...above anything for rehabbing dogs, that’s the busy mode you see earning the after pics in our threads and messages.


Any reefer reading this, try and feel this deep personal accountability sting: by allowing a hands off, occur what may uglies phase, or by designing a tank far outside access means and artistic skill, we end up killing ahead of time the substrates and animals that the anti aquarium faction has every right to harp on us about. We are killing our own tanks perhaps as much or more so than chain of command / collection practice killing, and this can be stopped if we learn to reef in a new and totally accountable way, hand cleaning 101


What good is sustainability on real reefs when home reefers cannot be pried free of their invasions and mass do overs?

How serious then is it for teachers to teach reefing methods that continue this trend, even if their own example tank doesn’t die?
 
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