Does ich ever just go away?

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the disease forum shows it fatal though, perhaps the #1 killer/dead fish in buckets.

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brandon429 said:
If I was to tasked with removing ich from a system the first thing I'd do is a sandbed swap for new rinsed sand
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Complete waste of time. Just fallow up to 90 days while you quarantine the fish separately. The best guides are on humble.fish

The hard part is you will also have to quarantine every new addition, including fish, coral, live rock, live sand and inverts going forward. This is because some lifecycle of the parasites settles on hard surfaces and can enter your tank this way. It is a big commitment.

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Has anyone done coral/inverts only and no fish at first?

Fish seem to be the main cause of disruption in a display tank, given the current circumstances in the hobby with pests (ich, velvet, parasites, etc.). I have been in this hobby for 18 years, and the amount of pests that are showing up lately is much more (could also be the fact that we have...
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Lavey29 said:
How do you explain tanks that fallowed for months and copper treated their fish, etc... and when the fish get put back into the DT the ich starts again? There are plenty of threads here asking and showing this situation. Did it stay in the rocks or sand or on a snail? Did the copper QT not kill it off? One thing about micro organisms, bacteria, parasites, roaches, etc...they have really learned to adapt and survive. I also really find the threads interesting from people that have not added anything to their tank for months or years and all of a sudden some stresser triggers an outbreak. Where did this ich magically show up from?
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Literally almost anything from another system can bring in ich.

Macroalgae, live rock, frags, clean up crew, water.

Ich has even been reported to "jump" between aquariums within a room, but I assume this is due to spray/bioaerosols or cross contamination.

Here's a recent paper showing bacterial DNA being detected in clouds (likely largely due to human activity): https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0048969722083681?via=ihub
 
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LadAShark said:
Literally almost anything from another system can bring in ich.

Macroalgae, live rock, frags, clean up crew, water.

Ich has even been reported to "jump" between aquariums within a room, but I assume this is due to spray/bioaerosols or cross contamination.

Here's a recent paper showing bacterial DNA being detected in clouds (likely largely due to human activity): https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0048969722083681?via=ihub
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I agree, but I also think it can be in a dormant state in a tank unknown to the reef keeper and when some major stress happens then the fish immune systems lower allowing the ich to become active again and attack fish. Just my speculation of course.
 
Lavey29 said:
I agree, but I also think it can be in a dormant state in a tank unknown to the reef keeper and when some major stress happens then the fish immune systems lower allowing the ich to become active again and attack fish. Just my speculation of course.
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Dormant is part of the cycle, it can only be dormant so long hence the 76 day fallow or if you have low flow or simply want to be extra cautious 90 days. It doesn't just sit around waiting for a random sick fish then pounce.
 
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Love how people still panic over ich. Do nothing, feed your fish with vitamin enriched foods and it will go away in a few days. No need to stress the fish with meds or quarantine tanks. Even the most ich prone fish will do fine.
 
As a Teenager I worked in a pet shop, Fresh Water sales. I seriously doubt they are able to maintain “Cure” Copper levels in aquariums they are actively selling fish out of. With fish being bagged and the water going out the door, only to be replenished, Either Automatically or manually. There would be no way to maintain high enough medication levels. As we all know, they aren’t even keeping their Salinity levels up. BTW, I saw something on YouTube, about a large fish store, and the owner said he never changed the water in his system. I got a Chuckle out of that.
 
This thread is why so many new people are completely confused. While there are known unknowns, so much repeated information is just incorrect by the current understood/accepted science. Ich is not present in every tank unless you’re trying to argue some fringe science like Avogadros dilution, water memory, etc. No idea why that’s still debated here. If you want to know if your tank has Ich have the microbiome tested. Several companies now offer these services. “Ich lives for 100 generations per strain”. What? What does that even mean? There is just so much wrong with that entire sentence. I know nothing will change… guess I just needed a windmill.
 
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In the general forum everyone is a crypto consultant because they only are tasked with controlling tanks in their home.

they get to give all the outcome reports/bias/leaving out negative outcomes we’d never know. Self evals will always be strong

they have unique abilities and sourcing at times that don’t transmit to others…neither do the results or the fish disease forum wouldn’t have fifteen new posts coming up today alone on the matter, we’d all just copy the simple recommends here.

big contrast occurs when the post is in the disease forum, where methods used by others get evaluated by others. If jay used solely his own tank for every proof the disease forum wouldn’t be as good as it is with the latest disease control science

but I don’t know a thing about jays home reef because he spends time fixing others tanks, they give the evals and that’s true accountability

when someone uses their own reef for proofs that’s very low level proof, I hardly ever value it due to the hidden bias

being able to run a forum where two thousand other peoples reef outcomes regarding ich/crypto are on file is very high level-you can scan the outcome patterns to discern truth across variables

in reading this thread it’s really apparent across offers who does work in their own home exclusively and who reads the disease forum
 
brandon429 said:
when someone uses their own reef for proofs that’s very low level proof
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You mean an N of 1 is not statistically relevant? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you. For the record, even if ten different people have the same results, that’s still an N1 ;)
 
Sebastiancrab said:
I have to disagree on all tanks having ich. That is why we take tanks fallow. To kill it off without a host.
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I will say that the fallow period is not 100% effective. I had a tank fallow for the longest recommended time. Then added my fish from an existing tank one at a time with two weeks between. All the fish I had for a minimum of 1 year some 2. I added 4 fish total and at least 1 month afterwards they broke out very heavily. Now I’m told that cysts can survive in low flow anaerobic areas. So basically you need to take out all the rock and mix the substrate maybe even twice during the fallow.
 
Darn, we are still on that?
HankstankXXXL750 said:
I will say that the fallow period is not 100% effective. I had a tank fallow for the longest recommended time. Then added my fish from an existing tank one at a time with two weeks between. All the fish I had for a minimum of 1 year some 2. I added 4 fish total and at least 1 month afterwards they broke out very heavily. Now I’m told that cysts can survive in low flow anaerobic areas. So basically you need to take out all the rock and mix the substrate maybe even twice during the fallow.
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When trying to get rid of ich, you definitely have to vacuum the sand.
 
Pickle_soup said:
Darn, we are still on that?

When trying to get rid of ich, you definitely have to vacuum the sand.
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Yes which I did multiple times. But I think you have to move all the rock work and vacuum the sand which I’m doing this time.
 
after doing the tank cleaning mentioned, the ordered fallow/qt for the rebuild, forgot to add: I would plumb in a nine hundred dollar uv sterilizer/top brand per reviews in reef tanks/that was oversized for the system. I'd do that before problems begin

I would then feed the fish like Paul feeds them, or at least close to it, to provide the internal support and I would not have a system of dry rock recently cycled carrying eight species mixed of fish.
like the link posted, they'd only go into an aged/matured/rock mature system full of coralline.

this order is the sum total of everything I've seen in the disease forum on a few different reef sites over the years and the troubleshoot feedback I've seen over those years.
 
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