Does my coral beauty have ich?

[aqva]

As you can see in the pic is that ich on my coral beauty angelfish fin?
It was hard to take a pic where you can see the white spots

 

[vetteguy53081]

As you can see in the pic is that ich on my coral beauty angelfish fin?
It was hard to take a pic where you can see the white spots

It’s a viral condition known as lymphocystis often a product of poor water quality and diet
Assure ammonia and nitrate not elevated
What are you feeding?

 

[Gtinnel]

Being on the edge of a fin and not seeing any spots on the body makes me want to say it’s likely lympho

 

[aqva]

It’s a viral condition known as lymphocystis often a product of poor water quality and diet
Assure ammonia and nitrate not elevated
What are you feeding?

I tested today ammonia and nitrate with JBL kit:
ammonia < 0,05
nitrate between < 0,01 and 0,025

I'm feeding with Aquaforest AF Marine Mix S, he also like eating algaes on rocks and glass (I have a lot of diatoms), when I feed with live brine shrimp he don't eat cause I think naupilii are too small for him.
edit: sometimes I feed with aquaforest liquid mysis

on these days something strange is happening, a turbo snail was yellow and retract, I put on a jar. Another one was out of water but the rest of CUC it's okay
about that I also tested copper and was everything fine

Being on the edge of a fin and not seeing any spots on the body

Exactly only on the edge

 

[vetteguy53081]

I tested today ammonia and nitrate with JBL kit:
ammonia < 0,05
nitrate between < 0,01 and 0,025

I'm feeding with Aquaforest AF Marine Mix S, he also like eating algaes on rocks and glass (I have a lot of diatoms), when I feed with live brine shrimp he don't eat cause I think naupilii are too small for him.
edit: sometimes I feed with aquaforest liquid mysis

on these days something strange is happening, a turbo snail was yellow and retract, I put on a jar. Another one was out of water but the rest of CUC it's okay
about that I also tested copper and was everything fine


Exactly only on the edge

Ammonia up a little but more to it.
for snails, possible phosphate or low calcium
Inadequate diet for coral beauty

spirulina brine shrimp
Mysis shrimp
LRS fish frenzy
Small plankton
Hikari marine cuisine

add selcon vitamins to the foods occasionally

 

[SlugSnorter]

Ammonia up a little but more to it.
for snails, possible phosphate or low calcium
Inadequate diet for coral beauty

spirulina brine shrimp
Mysis shrimp
LRS fish frenzy
Small plankton
Hikari marine cuisine

add selcon vitamins to the foods occasionally

or hunger, turbos need lots of algae, even some big tank don't have enough.

 

[MnFish1]

IMHO - contrary to belief - the foods we feed - as long as the fish is eating - does not cause lymphocystis - instead - its a more sudden change acclimation parameters, etc. A completely strong fish - will probably resist it - but - if its a new fish - its acclimation to your tank.

 

[aqva]

Ammonia up a little but more to it.

It's the lowest step on the scale

for snails, possible phosphate or low calcium

calcium at 410ppm, phosphate not detectable, nitrates 5ppm. Magnesium just a little bit low at 1200ppm but don't think it's an issue

Inadequate diet for coral beauty

spirulina brine shrimp
Mysis shrimp
LRS fish frenzy
Small plankton
Hikari marine cuisine

oh thank you so much, I don't think wasn't enought. I should start use more types of food specially frozen
I'm trying to culture phyto to growup brine shrimp
I tried to feed them with spirulina flakes but the don't eat it.
honestly my LFS don't have much varieties of food, I should search online.

add selcon vitamins to the foods occasionally

I occasionaly sink granules with aquaforest fish v

or hunger, turbos need lots of algae, even some big tank don't have enough.

My tank is covered by diatoms. As you can see in the pic rocks are covered by algae

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

It's the lowest step on the scale

calcium at 410ppm, phosphate not detectable, nitrates 5ppm. Magnesium just a little bit low at 1200ppm but don't think it's an issue

oh thank you so much, I don't think wasn't enought. I should start use more types of food specially frozen
I'm trying to culture phyto to growup brine shrimp
I tried to feed them with spirulina flakes but the don't eat it.
honestly my LFS don't have much varieties of food, I should search online.


I occasionaly sink granules with aquaforest fish v


My tank is covered by diatoms. As you can see in the pic rocks are covered by algae

That’s viral lymphocystis. It may get worse, but as long as it doesn’t involve the mouth, it won’t be fatal and will go away on its own in about 6 to 10 weeks.
Jay

 

[vetteguy53081]

IMHO - contrary to belief - the foods we feed - as long as the fish is eating - does not cause lymphocystis - instead - its a more sudden change acclimation parameters, etc. A completely strong fish - will probably resist it - but - if its a new fish - its acclimation to your tank.

Foods do not cause Lymphocystis. Its the absence of omega, fats and aminos and especially vitamin C which act as immune boosters which will strengthen the immune system of the fish that cause a defiency and resistance. You will notice as soon as diet is upgraded , this stuff literally falls off the fish.

 

[MnFish1]

Foods do not cause Lymphocystis. Its the absence of omega, fats and aminos and especially vitamin C which act as immune boosters which will strengthen the immune system of the fish that cause a defiency and resistance. You will notice as soon as diet is upgraded , this stuff literally falls off the fish.

And - if the diet is not upgraded - it will also fall off IME. The issue is usually - again IME - that the fish has not been eating anything. In the end its not a brand of food or supplement - its carbohydrates, protein and fat..

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

The old joke is: Do XYZ for a fish with Lymphocystis and in 6 to 8 weeks, it will cure it every time!

Once the fish has the virus, and it is expressing itself, little to nothing is going to stop it, it just needs to run its course. Like taking Zinc for a common cold - it will cure you....in five days!


Jay

 

[aqva]

today I bought a portable microscope, are dinos and not diatoms
Now I understand the snail death
There is a possible correlation between dinos and lymphocystis? The coral beauty sometimes eat algae from rocks and glass

sorry for the low quality

 

[aqva]

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

I've never heard of algae being a predisposing factor in Lymphocystis. The two that I know of are: 1) exposure to the virus while going through the supply chain. 2) Fin damage that allows the virus to enter the epithelial cells.

Once contracted and resolved, the fish won't develop it again.

Here is some text that I wrote up about it:

Lymphocystis (cauliflower disease)

This is a common viral disease of marine, brackish, and certain freshwater fishes (usually those with marine relatives: glassfish and rainbowfish). It is a chronic (long-lasting) but self-limiting (usually going away on its own) syndrome caused by an iridovirus. The virus causes hypertrophy (enlargement) of the epithelial cells of a fish’s skin and fins.



Initial symptoms consist of off-white to gray nodules on the fish that spread and grow larger over a timeframe of 10 to 90 days. Commonly, when a Lymphocystis nodule forms on a pectoral fin, a new nodule will soon begin to form on the part of the fish that is brushed by the fin, indicating that direct contact can be a mode of spreading the infection.



When Lymphocystis first starts, the small growths can be misdiagnosed as a protozoan infection, such as Cryptocaryon, or even a bacterial infection. The fact that the lesions are long-lasting and do not cause the fish to become acutely ill rules out these more virulent diseases.



Since Lymphocystis is most often seen in newly imported fishes, capture and transport stresses are often mentioned as the stressors that allow this disease to take hold. While this may be true, it may also be that the cause is actually exposure to other infected fish in the aquarium systems of the exporter, importer, or retail suppliers. In any event, it is extremely rare for a fish held in captivity for more than four to six months to suddenly develop this disease.



Treatment with copper sulfate has also been implicated in the development of Lymphocystis in marine fish. The connection is actually not very clear, in that copper sulfate is most often used on newly imported fishes, and those are the ones that develop the disease most often.



Lymphocystis infections can sometimes become more serious, covering large areas of a fish’s body and even interfering with proper feeding if the cell growth involves areas around the mouth. In rare instances, the virus can also cause enlargement of the cells of internal organs, especially in marine fishes (Wolf 1988). This has the potential of causing serious, yet difficult-to-identify diseases in marine fishes.



A variety of cures have been suggested for this disease over the years. Some public aquarists have reported that a reduction in the animal’s environmental stress level will help reduce the severity of an infection. Others have reported that treatment with a mixture of malachite green and formalin (Quick Cure, Formalite, etc.) helps limit the spread of the lesions. Since both of these compounds can damage an aquarium’s bio-filter, and since both are toxic to fish, care must be taken if this method is attempted. By far, the most commonly recommended treatment involves surgically removing the hypertrophied skin cells, followed with a topical antibiotic to hopefully prevent secondary bacterial infection.

Jay