Does your LFS quarantine?

Very few do. I have a source that is strict with QT process but as myself when i had my pet store, I did not have the room to do so. All i vould do was float and acclimate. My success rate was actually high despite no QT
 
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I have 1 that QTs and I think tries his best to actually do so. Then I have another that claims to QT, but doesn't, and also will oddly tell you not to QT either while gloating about having ich in their tanks :rolleyes:o_O. Then there's a third that straight up doesn't QT and the goal is the pack as many fish in there on Sundays when they get a delivery and then sell as many of those before the next shipment. Sadly this results in packed tanks and lots of deaths in store, but I've also seen the owners leaving in a Tesla and a Maserati, so I guess it's working out.
 
I have 1 that QTs and I think tries his best to actually do so. Then I have another that claims to QT, but doesn't, and also will oddly tell you not to QT either while gloating about having ich in their tanks :rolleyes:o_O. Then there's a third that straight up doesn't QT and the goal is the pack as many fish in there on Sundays when they get a delivery and then sell as many of those before the next shipment. Sadly this results in packed tanks and lots of deaths in store, but I've also seen the owners leaving in a Tesla and a Maserati, so I guess it's working out.

This sounds about right. In it for a buck, and who cares how many are healthy or even make it a week right? money, money, money. Last I looked, fish are not dollar signs (;
 
This sounds about right. In it for a buck, and who cares how many are healthy or even make it a week right? money, money, money. Last I looked, fish are not dollar signs (;

Yeah, I feel bad because the LFS making all the bucks is definitely the busiest in the area. The one that actually tries to QT and do things right, not so much. I've been in his store for a couple hours and he only gets a couple people dropping in. Granted his store is pretty new and the other one has been open for like 40 years..
 
Yeah, I feel bad because the LFS making all the bucks is definitely the busiest in the area. The one that actually tries to QT and do things right, not so much. I've been in his store for a couple hours and he only gets a couple people dropping in. Granted his store is pretty new and the other one has been open for like 40 years..

Sincerely hope that changes for him. If he isn't running a chop shop or just milling out as many as he can then he deserves the business in my opinion. I am also of the opinion that it is the responsibility of the hobbyist buying the animal to run it through quarantine anyway, but I'm still against just churning out anything and everything as fast as possible for a buck.
 
I am an LFS owner in the UK, all my fish are quarantined for a minimum of six weeks in a separate quarantine system of individual tanks separate from the main store, each with electronically monitored parameters. I also have a microscope to aid in more precise diagnoses to enable any decision on treatment method.

I am very selective of my suppliers and have a good relationship with those that are willing to discuss their own procedures and for me to visit in person to observe those practices.

On arrival all fish generally get treated for ammonia burns, abrasions flukes and worms. Further medication is only used if deemed necessary and with great care. If copper is needed it is measured with the Hanna Copper test and Seachems test. I am currently in discussion with my local veterinarian with regards the possibilities of CP (Chloroquine Phosphate) through prescription.

After QT each tank and all equipment is cleaned with Hydrogen peroxide. Once transferred to the main shop display tanks, each shop display tank is a seperate system with its own internal filtration and equipment.

I also sell inexpensive QT systems at cost and offer advice to my customers.

My QT process is based on the excellent advice from both @Humblefish and others on this forum and my local veterinarian who has an interest in Marine animals. I also supply a national list to fellow UK reefers of veterinarians with a particular expertise in aquatic animals.

I have a flexible approach to QT , weighing up the needs of each animal depending on condition and species. The main object of my QT procedure is to condition the fish and observe.

After all that, I still strongly advise my customers to carry out full QT on all of their animals, I advise that anything wet be QT. Corals, should be removed from the frag plug, dipped cleaned and placed in QT,. None of my corals in the shop coral tanks are Quarantined, just dipped and cleaned, but all my corals that find there way to my home tanks are, for six weeks.

I must point out that I am a small store, with a small turnover, run more as a hobby along side my passion for marine animals. This makes it possible for me to do this economically, I thoroughly understand how for the vast majority of LFS this would not be economically viable. I agree that once the animal is in the possession of the customer the duty of care is transferred to the customer, although advice and support continues it is the responsibility of the new owner to provide adequate car for the animals. In my own opinion QT is an important part of this care for both the new animal but more important any existing animals.

For myself, the most important part of QT is not the new individual but to minimise the risk of transfering a new disease to your main tank.

Out of respect for this forum and other LFS. Please don't ask where my store is or its name, I thoroughly respect the integrity of this forum and simply whish to make fellow reefers aware of the possibilities and options available. I would like to point out that I also do not wish to compare my store to others. For me it is a personal decision and one that I can justify economically. I thoroughly respect my fellow LFS owners and there own procedures depending on needs and practicability.
 
We hired someone who claimed they had experience in quarantine. We had more fish die in his care than what we did in regular isolation. It was ridiculous
It's really hard to quarantine every single fish. Observation and isolation is more realistic.
 
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We hired someone who claimed they had experience in quarantine. We had more fish die in his care than what we did in regular isolation. It was ridiculous
It's really hard to quarantine every single fish. Observation and isolation is more realistic.
Inexcusable is more of a term. Agree- can’t quarantine every single one as there would be nothing in the display tanks
 
Inexcusable is more of a term. Agree- can’t quarantine every single one as there would be nothing in the display tanks
The chemicals that were used weren't used how they should and just kept killing stuff. Chemicals he was hell bent on using. Since he left I have not had 1 problem with isolation. Not a single fish.
 
I have 1 that QTs and I think tries his best to actually do so. Then I have another that claims to QT, but doesn't, and also will oddly tell you not to QT either while gloating about having ich in their tanks :rolleyes:o_O. Then there's a third that straight up doesn't QT and the goal is the pack as many fish in there on Sundays when they get a delivery and then sell as many of those before the next shipment. Sadly this results in packed tanks and lots of deaths in store, but I've also seen the owners leaving in a Tesla and a Maserati, so I guess it's working out.
This sounds suspiciously like 2 stores I know in the Bay Area...
 
I have quite a few here in San Diego and I don't know of any who QT. I do know that one does a fresh water dip with all new fish and is pretty picky when getting his fish from LA. When I do get fish i go to him. Its always such a gamble no matter what these days.
 
I think that it all comes down to what your definition of Quarantine is. By definition it is only a period of isolation. That says nothing of treatment. In our hobby I believe a lot of us have taken it to mean not simple isolation but isolation at treatment for any type of parasite or disease.

The LFS that I work recently Quaratined fish. Those fish has roughly a month of eating food with Metro and prazi bound to it using Focus. They underwent 3 weeks of external Metro treatment and two weeks of Kanamycin and NFG along with 3 rounds of external prazi. Then went a full round of Copper Power at 1.75.

I feel that it is on the hobbyist to do their due diligence. When I bought my dogs I took them to the vet and got shots and dewormed and all of that. I do not see it being any different with our wet live stock. You can run a somewhat healthy tank with some disease/parasites and let your fish's immune system deal with it. You can run a tank with everything put through treatment. That is a choice that we make.

I would only trust a store to do it for me if I knew them or had a long conversation about what they mean by QT. I've seen stores selling pre-quaratined fish which simply means an observation period. I imagine that a month of observation and conditioning to tank life would be a good start but that does not insure against what the hobby regards as quaratined.
 
For some reason some of the lfs near me choose to put incoming shipments of fish into systems that house inverts.... leading to massive outbreaks of disease that i can spot every time i go in to see what fish they have to offer, funny thing is they have fish only systems that they treat livestock in... i just don't know why they don't treat them all as they lose lots of business and fish from this practice.
 
I am an LFS owner in the UK, all my fish are quarantined for a minimum of six weeks in a separate quarantine system of individual tanks separate from the main store, each with electronically monitored parameters. I also have a microscope to aid in more precise diagnoses to enable any decision on treatment method.

I am very selective of my suppliers and have a good relationship with those that are willing to discuss their own procedures and for me to visit in person to observe those practices.

On arrival all fish generally get treated for ammonia burns, abrasions flukes and worms. Further medication is only used if deemed necessary and with great care. If copper is needed it is measured with the Hanna Copper test and Seachems test. I am currently in discussion with my local veterinarian with regards the possibilities of CP (Chloroquine Phosphate) through prescription.

After QT each tank and all equipment is cleaned with Hydrogen peroxide. Once transferred to the main shop display tanks, each shop display tank is a seperate system with its own internal filtration and equipment.

I also sell inexpensive QT systems at cost and offer advice to my customers.

My QT process is based on the excellent advice from both @Humblefish and others on this forum and my local veterinarian who has an interest in Marine animals. I also supply a national list to fellow UK reefers of veterinarians with a particular expertise in aquatic animals.

I have a flexible approach to QT , weighing up the needs of each animal depending on condition and species. The main object of my QT procedure is to condition the fish and observe.

After all that, I still strongly advise my customers to carry out full QT on all of their animals, I advise that anything wet be QT. Corals, should be removed from the frag plug, dipped cleaned and placed in QT,. None of my corals in the shop coral tanks are Quarantined, just dipped and cleaned, but all my corals that find there way to my home tanks are, for six weeks.

I must point out that I am a small store, with a small turnover, run more as a hobby along side my passion for marine animals. This makes it possible for me to do this economically, I thoroughly understand how for the vast majority of LFS this would not be economically viable. I agree that once the animal is in the possession of the customer the duty of care is transferred to the customer, although advice and support continues it is the responsibility of the new owner to provide adequate car for the animals. In my own opinion QT is an important part of this care for both the new animal but more important any existing animals.

For myself, the most important part of QT is not the new individual but to minimise the risk of transfering a new disease to your main tank.

Out of respect for this forum and other LFS. Please don't ask where my store is or its name, I thoroughly respect the integrity of this forum and simply whish to make fellow reefers aware of the possibilities and options available. I would like to point out that I also do not wish to compare my store to others. For me it is a personal decision and one that I can justify economically. I thoroughly respect my fellow LFS owners and there own procedures depending on needs and practicability.
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