TuxUrchin07
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I have seen some threads where people dose ammonia??? To my knoledge it’s just supposed to be 0… why would u dose ammonia? Anyone mind telling me?
Dosing ammonia???
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TuxUrchin07
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Huh never heard of it before
MaxTremors
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They dose ammonia to start the nitrogen cycle when starting a new tank instead of adding fish or adding fish food and waiting for it to decompose into ammonia (and then be processed into nitrite and then nitrate).
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This is not a thing. Ammonia is toxic to corals, fish, and invertebrates.
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They typically dose ammonia to do a fishless cycle.
Ammonia is toxic only to animals that breathe oxygen.
Corals, which incorporate xooanthalae algae as a symbiotic dont breath oxygen, and algae is known to use ammonia as fuel.
Ammonia is not toxic to coral.
Ammonia is toxic only to animals that breathe oxygen.
Corals, which incorporate xooanthalae algae as a symbiotic dont breath oxygen, and algae is known to use ammonia as fuel.
Ammonia is not toxic to coral.
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TuxUrchin07
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Uhh...?
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I saw them for both
Azedenkae
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Ah. Well for cycling it's to introduce an energy source for nitrifiers to grow and propagate during the cycle. Otherwise it's some idea that certain organisms we want to prosper may utilize ammonia better than nitrate or other nitrogen sources.
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I dose ammonia to feed my corals(SPS). Been doing it for months with no ill effects. Aquarium has a nice bioload(fish) but cronic low nitrate(0 PPM) even though fish are well fed and no algae in tank. Figured when I read about dosing ammonia what's the worse that could happen-- dead coral-- which is what was happening due to no nitrates--again even with a good bioload of well feed fish. I was dosing quite a bit of nitrate a week( to maintain at least 2.5 PPM of nitrate) but if I didn't dose nitrate it would zero out. Decide to try dosing ammonia, bought some Dr.Tim's and I think to cycle a tank it calls for 4 drops per gallon. I dose 1 drop per 10 gallons everyday. I'm no longer dosing nitrates and my tank nitrate stays stead at 2.5 PPM.
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I overfeed and it is steady at 10
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This is the first tank I've ever had that I had to dose nitrates. Don't know why as I have other tanks with same set up that have been fine with nitrates( they run steady at 5 PPM ).
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I don’t know but I have a refugium and that helps a lot
Here’s the ammonia dosing thread next post.
these are full running stocked reefs
read this, and let me know how it affects your concept of what reef tanks can do
blasterman was first to tell me about this long ago.
there is a toxicity level that would kill corals and fish, its just way more than we’d guess.
this is exact proof that no reef tank can stall in ammonia control, they always always always trend back to the thousandths ppm nh3
from this one thread we see these rules:
- reefs do not ramp up and add more bac to move more ammonia, existing bac instantly quadruple efforts
- no stalling occurs
- no reef stalls back in the hundredths ppm they always move back to the universal conversion rate all our tanks run at which is thousandths ppm nh3 form ammonia
these are full running stocked reefs
read this, and let me know how it affects your concept of what reef tanks can do
blasterman was first to tell me about this long ago.
there is a toxicity level that would kill corals and fish, its just way more than we’d guess.
this is exact proof that no reef tank can stall in ammonia control, they always always always trend back to the thousandths ppm nh3
from this one thread we see these rules:
- reefs do not ramp up and add more bac to move more ammonia, existing bac instantly quadruple efforts
- no stalling occurs
- no reef stalls back in the hundredths ppm they always move back to the universal conversion rate all our tanks run at which is thousandths ppm nh3 form ammonia
Does anyone dose ammonia and/or how would one try?
I found a bottle of ammonium hydroxide from the supermarket but it doesn't tell the strength. From a little research I'm finding that most household solutions are 3%. (I'm hoping this is a safe guess!). I'd like to ask for someone to confirm my math: 3% = 30mg/ml. Tank vol = 150 L I...
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notice how on seneye a whole new world is opened up
nobody can see what ammonia does and how quickly it is handled without that critical testing device
*** this thread above is precisely why when someone posts they have a free ammonia issue, they don’t. They have an Api or Red Sea issue but not a real ammonia issue.
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Timfish
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Far better to feed fish more and/or add more fish. Not only does fish poop have the urea corals prefere over ammonia/ammonium, to be clear corals do love ammonia/ammonium far better than nitrates, but fish poop also has phosphorus which needs to be in balance with nitrogen as well as calcium and magnesium carbonates. Just for refference amino acids and urea are two forms of organic nitrogen while ammonia/ammonium, nitrite and nitrate are three inorganic forms. Phosphorus also organic and inorganic forms and coral will use the organic forms also. For those interested here's some links (these first three I've been posting on forums for a decade now):
Ammonium Uptake by Symbiotic and Aposymbiotic Reef Corals
www.ingentaconnect.com
Amino acids a source of nitrogen for corals
journals.biologists.com
Urea a source of nitrogen for corals
www.sciencedirect.com
Diazotrpophs a source of nitrogen for corals
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Context Dependant Effects of Nutrient Loading on the Coral-Algal Mutualism
www.researchgate.net
www.cambridge.org
An Experimental Mesocosm for Longterm Studies of Reef Corals
Phosphate Deficiency:
Nutrient enrichment can increase the susceptibility of reef corals to bleaching:
www.nature.com
Ultrastructural Biomarkers in Symbiotic Algae Reflect the Availability of Dissolved Inorganic Nutrients and Particulate Food to the Reef Coral Holobiont:
www.frontiersin.org
Phosphate deficiency promotes coral bleaching and is reflected by the ultrastructure of symbiotic dinoflagellates
www.sciencedirect.com
Effects of phosphate on growth and skeletal density in the scleractinian coral Acropora muricata: A controlled experimental approach
www.sciencedirect.com
High phosphate uptake requirements of the scleractinian coral Stylophora pistillata
jeb.biologists.org
Phosphorus metabolism of reef organisms with algal symbionts
Fish as major carbonate mud producers and missing component of the tropical carbonate factory
www.pnas.org
Ammonium Uptake by Symbiotic and Aposymbiotic Reef Corals
Ammonium Uptake by Symbiotic and Aposymbiotic Reef Corals: Ingenta Connect
Amino acids a source of nitrogen for corals
Uptake of dissolved free amino acids by the scleractinian coral Stylophora pistillata
SUMMARY. This study was designed to assess the importance of dissolved free amino acids (DFAA) as a nitrogen source for the scleractinian coral Stylophora pistillata. For this purpose, experiments were performed using 15N-enriched DFAAs, and %15N enrichment was measured both in animal tissue and...
journals.biologists.com
Urea a source of nitrogen for corals
Urea uptake by the scleractinian coral Stylophora pistillata
Urea can be one of the major sources of nitrogen for phytoplankton, but little is known about its importance for corals. Experiments were therefore de…
Diazotrpophs a source of nitrogen for corals
Diazotrophs: a non-negligible source of nitrogen for the tropical coral Stylophora pistillata - PubMed
Corals are mixotrophs: they are able to fix inorganic carbon through the activity of their symbiotic dinoflagellates and to gain nitrogen from predation on plankton and uptake of dissolved organic and inorganic nutrients. They also live in close association with diverse diazotrophic communities...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Context Dependant Effects of Nutrient Loading on the Coral-Algal Mutualism
Context-dependent effects of nutrient loading on the coral-algal mutualism | Request PDF
Request PDF | Context-dependent effects of nutrient loading on the coral-algal mutualism | Human-mediated increases in nutrient availability alter patterns of primary production, impact species diversity, and threaten ecosystem function.... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on...
www.researchgate.net
An experimental mesocosm for long-term studies of reef corals | Journal of the Marine Biological Association of the United Kingdom | Cambridge Core
An experimental mesocosm for long-term studies of reef corals - Volume 92 Issue 4
Phosphate Deficiency:
Nutrient enrichment can increase the susceptibility of reef corals to bleaching:
Nutrient enrichment can increase the susceptibility of reef corals to bleaching - Nature Climate Change
Increased dissolved inorganic nitrogen (DIN) concentrations in sea water have been linked to a reduction of the temperature threshold at which corals bleach, however, the mechanism underlying this change is not known. This phenomenon is now explained in terms of increased phosphatase activities...
www.nature.com
Ultrastructural Biomarkers in Symbiotic Algae Reflect the Availability of Dissolved Inorganic Nutrients and Particulate Food to the Reef Coral Holobiont:
Frontiers | Ultrastructural Biomarkers in Symbiotic Algae Reflect the Availability of Dissolved Inorganic Nutrients and Particulate Food to the Reef Coral Holobiont
Reef building corals associated with symbiotic algae (zooxanthellae) can access environmental nutrients from different sources, most significantly via the up...
www.frontiersin.org
Phosphate deficiency promotes coral bleaching and is reflected by the ultrastructure of symbiotic dinoflagellates
Phosphate deficiency promotes coral bleaching and is reflected by the ultrastructure of symbiotic dinoflagellates
Enrichment of reef environments with dissolved inorganic nutrients is considered a major threat to the survival of corals living in symbiosis with din…
Effects of phosphate on growth and skeletal density in the scleractinian coral Acropora muricata: A controlled experimental approach
Effects of phosphate on growth and skeletal density in the scleractinian coral Acropora muricata: A controlled experimental approach
Phosphate contamination can negatively affect corals, modifying growth rates, skeletal density, reproduction, mortality, and zooxanthellae. We determi…
High phosphate uptake requirements of the scleractinian coral Stylophora pistillata
High phosphate uptake requirements of the scleractinian coral Stylophora pistillata
SUMMARYSeveral untested aspects of the regulation of inorganic nutrient uptake were examined using nutrient depletion experiments with the symbiotic coral Stylophora pistillata. The total inhibition of phosphate uptake in artificial seawater lacking sodium indicates the involvement of a...
jeb.biologists.org
Phosphorus metabolism of reef organisms with algal symbionts
Fish as major carbonate mud producers and missing component of the tropical carbonate factory
Fish as major carbonate mud producers and missing components of the tropical carbonate factory
Carbonate mud is a major constituent of recent marine carbonate sediments and of ancient limestones, which contain unique records of changes in ocean chemistry and climate shifts in the geological past. However, the origin of carbonate mud is controversial and often problematic to resolve. Here...
old salt reefer
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At reducing nitrates. My problem in that tank is I had no nitrates.
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TuxUrchin07
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Well adding more fish helps. Like a tang or something that poops a lot
