Fauna marin ultra phos 0.04 how?

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hey randy i have comfirmed with fauna marin on the forum on r2r this phosphate binder will bind phosphate and not completely strip the water (it doesnt go lower than 0.04ppm)

Any idea on how this is possible chemical wise? I did ask but its a trade secret...
 
I expect it is not nearly as hard of a cut off as described, but since they say nothing about it I can't really evaluate it.

In general, all binders have the attribute that the higher the phosphate concentration, the more binds to the binder, and the lower the concentration, the less binds. So theoretically, a material can bind very little below 0.04 ppm phosphate, but bind more and more as the level rises above that. But I really doubt it binds a lot at 0.05 ppm and none at 0.03 ppm. My pharmaceutical phosphate binders have a similar attribute, binding a lot at physiologic phosphate levels (hundreds of ppm), but essentially none at reef tank levels.

I am very skeptical of their claim that phosphate does not come back off. I just don't believe that doesn't happen under the circumstances where all binders release phosphate: you bind a lot at high phosphate concentration, then expose it to water with lower levels. In that scenario, all of them will release some phosphate.

In order for me to believe that there is a sharp cutoff at 0.04 ppm, I'd want to see what is called a binding isotherm, showing how much phosphate is bound per gram of binder at phosphate concentrations from 0.001 to 0.5 ppm phosphate in the final solutions. I've seen these for hundreds of binders.
 
what brand phopshate binder would you reccommend that will not strip my water randy? i want to have a steady 0.01-0.05ppm

currently run steady .10 - .13 at most
 
I'm not aware of any that allow you to target a level without paying attention to how much you use and how often you replace it. Using those two tools, any brand of GFO or aluminum oxide will do. I prefer GFO. :)
 

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