Fauna Marine Balling Light Trace Elements

[Aquaph8]

You are right - you just insert the Alk, MG, CA into the tank which is needed. With only water change and a ton of corals - it could happen that it consumes the alk a day later - not with balling light.
And the trick is not only about dosing the alk, ca and mg - but dosing the correct trace elements in the needed amount every day which makes the tank much more stable and prevent the OTS..

I understand all that but I think most people are already doing the alk/Mag/cal dosing whether it be DIY/ BRS or one of the many brands out there. Where you lost me is the extra stuff added that you can't test for, how would you ever know how much of each element your adding and what your tanks demand is? Some think OTS is caused by a build up of elements that our tanks aren't using as opposed to a lack of elements.

 

[asmashling]

Yeah you are right. With Balling Light the trace Elements getting controlled into the tank and not via a sea salt / regular water change.. Most of the salts are just saying "plus this and and that - but none of us knows what is really in there except for much to much MG? So making use of a good sea salt without trace elements but giving them on demand into the tank will (hopefully) prevent the OTS.

Why are the most reefers/breeders swaping and mixing different Seasalts for WC? Because of the lack of knowledge of the trace elements in there.. Balling - together with a good seasalt is taking care of that.

The picture is showing different "high quality" seasalts disolved within the same RODI Water.. interesting, isn`t it?

From chemistry point of view - you also will make the general trace elements more accessible for the corals when you give it to them as a fluid.

As far as i understand - and i hope claude from FM will join the conversation soon - the amount of elements within the polution or better concentration of the elements within a bottle is measured based on a coral skeleton + growth over years. For Example: As Jod and Flour has a direct connection with Alk - Balling Light adds those elements in the "more correct" amount - when you just add Jod/Flour once a week for lets say 25 ml - you never really now how much your system really needs and which elements are getting embedded to causing trouble later.

Same thing here is and i hope again i don`t mix things around with strontium. Strontium is within the CA Canister and is given to the corals while its needed and only as long it is needed. Most Coralbreeders will tell you the importance of strontium but you have it not within the salt.

i am really on the glance of knowledge about everything regarding those connections and i am trying only to translate a bit of my understanding from german Boards, where we had those discussion very often so forgive me some errors there

 

[Aquaph8]

I find this way of doing things very interesting, it makes a lot of sense to add elements in small amounts often. I still feel like your guessing on most of them and the potential for build up is still there though. Hopefully in the future we will find better ways of testing. Thanks for the explanation, I would love to hear more and more.

 

[asmashling]

glad i could help a bit. i bet claude from Fauna Marin will do the rest

 

[-Logzor]

glad i could help a bit. i bet claude from Fauna Marin will do the rest

I am looking forward to hearing his response. I definitely like the idea of supplementing my existing two-part dosing with these additional elements, it makes sense and reduces the hassle of having to dose these separately.

 

[Fauna Marin]

I noticed that BRS began carrying these products and I'm trying to learn more about the trace elements that you add to traditional 2-part dosing.

Are theses just basic trace elements or do they require ULNS tank parameters?

HI

Thanks for your Post , i will try to explain our system. The Color Elements are a new mix of Elements together with marin organic compounds which be developed for perfect color results, This Elements are not made for the base or increase Macro Elements like the most other Elements are mixed. The Color Elements contains not used elements or missed elements in sea salts. The best results you will have in ULNS Systems cause here you can see the colors as best. But also in System with SoftCorals/Disco/LPS and higher nutrients you will see an amazing effect ,but different and maybe it will take some days longer for the result as you have in ULNS.

 

[Fauna Marin]

Not UNLS per se but at or close to NSW levels .
It does state that Fauna marin adds bio-activ compounds in the salts though . Easy to interpet that as a form of carbon dosing .

Fauna Marin Balling light salts contain also special marine biopolymers and some minerals. The salts and Polymers stabilize the PH Level and increase color and grow of the corals. Normal salts cannot do this and after long time run the PH level will fall. With the balling light system all these problems will not happen.

In the balling manual it states


The following water values should be produced during continuous operation
* Calcium 380 – 420 mg/litre
* Magnesium 1200 – 1350 mg/litre
* Alkalinity 6.5 – 8 dkH
* Salinity 33 – 35 per mil

I have friends that use the FM salts and swear by them . I am not one of them . There are about 3 others on the market .


For those interested in the Balling Calculator u can get it here . It is in English and German . The file is about 8 mb.

http://www.euroreefers.eu/index.php?page=DownloadDBData&dataID=13

Some more info .

Here is the Manual .

http://static.faunamarin.de/manuals/manual_balling-methode_eng.pdf​

HI
The best Calculator for the balling light Methode you can find under www.aquacalculator.com
there is a part which has the original receipt behing the calculation

The Biopolymers we add did not work like a carbon source, this will not made sense , cause you need to store the luiquids for longer time and the balling light system must be stabile in nutritional reaction. The Polymers binds elements which are overdosed in artificial seasalts and made them skimable. The adding of this polymers helps us to prevent an overdose of Elements in the system. They did not control nutrition levels like VSV or others.

The Balling light System is the base for chemical stabilisation. The system is more easy and accurate as the original methode and did not based on theoretical calculation based on NSW .. which we did not have in our system. According to the modern seasalts, it was time to create a simpler but better system and taht what i do. The Balling Light System stabilize the base. It is not for playing with color or any other special, it creates a very staple base for all used system.

The quality of our salts is unique due to a special source we find for them, The ammoung of unwanted organics and Elements is extremly low, one reason is that our salts are not made with the Solvay process which raised up the organic ammount in the salts.
The ammount and kind of Trace Elements and organics are very important for the coloration of the corals.
If you find a good quality source of salts in our area so this could also be ok, but with our Fauna Marin Salts you could be sure to become the best quality salts for reeftanks available.

rgds claude

 

[Fauna Marin]

Hi Flow

good explanations
rgds claude

i be back here now

 

[LILBUDDHA]

HI
The best Calculator for the balling light Methode you can find under www.aquacalculator.com
there is a part which has the original receipt behing the calculation

The Biopolymers we add did not work like a carbon source, this will not made sense , cause you need to store the luiquids for longer time and the balling light system must be stabile in nutritional reaction. The Polymers binds elements which are overdosed in artificial seasalts and made them skimable. The adding of this polymers helps us to prevent an overdose of Elements in the system. They did not control nutrition levels like VSV or others.

The Balling light System is the base for chemical stabilisation. The system is more easy and accurate as the original methode and did not based on theoretical calculation based on NSW .. which we did not have in our system. According to the modern seasalts, it was time to create a simpler but better system and taht what i do. The Balling Light System stabilize the base. It is not for playing with color or any other special, it creates a very staple base for all used system.

The quality of our salts is unique due to a special source we find for them, The ammoung of unwanted organics and Elements is extremly low, one reason is that our salts are not made with the Solvay process which raised up the organic ammount in the salts.
The ammount and kind of Trace Elements and organics are very important for the coloration of the corals.
If you find a good quality source of salts in our area so this could also be ok, but with our Fauna Marin Salts you could be sure to become the best quality salts for reeftanks available.

rgds claude

Thanks for the clarification .
Stupid question ..
? If the polymers are binding excess artificial salts to be skimmed out . What salts are the polymers binding the artficial sea salt we use or the balling salts or both ?
TIA

 

[-Logzor]

Claude will I see negative effects with higher alkalinity when using just the 1,2,3 balling light salts in my calcium/Alk/magnesium?

 

[Fauna Marin]

Thanks for the clarification .
Stupid question ..
? If the polymers are binding excess artificial salts to be skimmed out . What salts are the polymers binding the artficial sea salt we use or the balling salts or both ?
TIA

HI

One Sample Iron is a element which you find in every salt in much higher ammounts as is findable in NSW salt. To much Iron or other
Elements effected the corals massivly , That is what you can bind and remove from the Aquarium.
This systems provides the tank from the OTS later

 

[Fauna Marin]

Claude will I see negative effects with higher alkalinity when using just the 1,2,3 balling light salts in my calcium/Alk/magnesium?

HI Yes to high Alk will not support the coloration

rgds claude