Female snowflake Male Maroon

[Mystoryman.330]

More like a bernese mountain dog and a chihuahua trying to mate, can it happen genetically sure, but the physics of it are way off. Obv easier for fish but the maroons might not tolerate it long term. Again i dont think anyone will have a definitive answer like this wont work period. Just really riskier, I would remove the 3rd maroon in the situation though as they will probably start to murder it

I definitely planned on that soon just waiting on tank to cycle.

 

[dedragon]

Wouldnt any time a maroon happen to mix with something (which would obviously produce some maroon) make Sense to be called maroon

Thats what i was wondering. Figured someone in the world of saltwater has ans is doing this lol

No they look different and have different genetics from a maroon. It like a mule is part donkey and part horse but a mix.
No one wants to attempt it as it can lean toward animal cruelty, although unintentional, if we put the animal in an unfavorable situation its definitely not the best

 

[Mystoryman.330]

Ive never seen or heard of one. I was told that it isn't possible. There's maroon clowns, lightning maroon clowns, gold nugget maroon clowns, gold strip maroon clowns. But there all maroon clowns.

Another comment on this page said 2 maroons wont pair so this is getting interesting

 

[dedragon]

Another comment on this page said 2 maroons wont pair so this is getting interesting

I dont think anyone said 2 maroons wont pair, that wud be* incorrect

 

[Mystoryman.330]

Mai tai clownfish or blood orange clownfish are examples of the cross between the two species. They were accidental cross fertilized though and not from a pair of clownfish by my recall. Meaning there was no occellaris or percula (or anything) paired with a maroon to produce it, most likely some sperm made it to another clutch

Now thats becoming a lil more helpful ty

 

[Mystoryman.330]

More like a bernese mountain dog and a chihuahua trying to mate, can it happen genetically sure, but the physics of it are way off. Obv easier for fish but the maroons might not tolerate it long term. Again i dont think anyone will have a definitive answer like this wont work period. Just really riskier, I would remove the 3rd maroon in the situation though as they will probably start to murder it

Ill check that link out

 

[Azedenkae]

Wouldnt any time a maroon happen to mix with something (which would obviously produce some maroon) make Sense to be called maroon

Not really, no.

You are correct that the offspring has 'some maroon' in it, but then think about it.

By that logic, something that is an offspring of an ocellaris and something else should be called an 'ocellaris' right, because it also contains some occy in it.

Then what if it's a maroon x ocellaris mix? Well, labeling it one or the other would be rather misleading.

 

[Azedenkae]

Another comment on this page said 2 maroons wont pair so this is getting interesting

That was NOT what I said and I clarified what I meant already.

 

[dedragon]

That was NOT what I said and I clarified what I meant already.

happens im full of typos and overexplanations

 

[Mystoryman.330]

Not really, no.

You are correct that the offspring has 'some maroon' in it, but then think about it.

By that logic, something that is an offspring of an ocellaris and something else should be called an 'ocellaris' right, because it also contains some occy in it.

Then what if it's a maroon x ocellaris mix? Well, labeling it one or the other would be rather misleading.

Good point. I just assumed maroons would come out of it as well ‍. No clue just questions. I just figured someone in the saltwater world has paired the combo. Maybe it is just sperm floating to the next eggs and thats the answer ‍

 

[Mystoryman.330]

happens im full of typos and overexplanations

Gotcha i think i got lost too

 

[Azedenkae]

Also, for those who are keen to know more about this, there are natural clownfish hybrids in the wild: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11033-019-05190-y

The above study followed a previous 2015 one (iirc). Long story short, seems like this is a result of actual mating between two different species (Amphiprion sandaracinos and Amphiprion chrysopterus) that are relatively distantly related to each other. 'Relative' here because well, all clownfish probably belong to the same genus anyways, including the maroon clownfish: https://watermark.silverchair.com/i2766-1520-109-1-258.pdf, so if these two species can hybridize, and given what we have seen come from ORA, then yeah clownfish most likely readily hybridize - at least when it comes to genetic compatibility. Oh and yes, google these two species. You'll see they look nothing alike lol. :3

Importantly, the hybrid offsprings also seem to be fertile as well.

So back to this story. Maroons, occys, and percs actually are pretty closely related to each other, more so to other clownfish. There's a nifty phylogenetic tree available here: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2017.1796 if anyone is interested.

P.S. I do want to end this with a note - phylogenetic analysis of eukaryotes is not... exactly easy for a number of reasons. So things can shift around, but yeah the above info that I provided is unlikely to be significantly altered in the future given how often it has been established through different studies.

 

[sfin52]

If its a occellaris snowflake or percula In With maroon clowns this will likely not work out. Maroons are aggressive. As far as breeding goes its kind of like asking if a dog will breed with a cat.

Not true. These are all clowns and there are hybrids of prec/maroons. Its more like a domestic dog / wolf or coyote/wolf.

 

[sfin52]

Good point. I just assumed maroons would come out of it as well ‍. No clue just questions. I just figured someone in the saltwater world has paired the combo. Maybe it is just sperm floating to the next eggs and thats the answer ‍

There's been pairings. Sustainable aquatics had percs/maroon hybrids up for sale more than a few times

 

[Mystoryman.330]

Also, for those who are keen to know more about this, there are natural clownfish hybrids in the wild: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11033-019-05190-y

The above study followed a previous 2015 one (iirc). Long story short, seems like this is a result of actual mating between two different species (Amphiprion sandaracinos and Amphiprion chrysopterus) that are relatively distantly related to each other. 'Relative' here because well, all clownfish probably belong to the same genus anyways, including the maroon clownfish: https://watermark.silverchair.com/i2766-1520-109-1-258.pdf, so if these two species can hybridize, and given what we have seen come from ORA, then yeah clownfish most likely readily hybridize - at least when it comes to genetic compatibility. Oh and yes, google these two species. You'll see they look nothing alike lol. :3

Importantly, the hybrid offsprings also seem to be fertile as well.

So back to this story. Maroons, occys, and percs actually are pretty closely related to each other, more so to other clownfish. There's a nifty phylogenetic tree available here: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2017.1796 if anyone is interested.

P.S. I do want to end this with a note - phylogenetic analysis of eukaryotes is not... exactly easy for a number of reasons. So things can shift around, but yeah the above info that I provided is unlikely to be significantly altered in the future given how often it has been established through different studies.

Ty. I will read about this

 

[Azedenkae]

@sfin52 I think you gotta go through the entire thread first. Both of what you just said we've already discussed and gone through.

 

[sfin52]

SA Mai Tai - Sustainable Aquatics

SA Mai Tai - Sustainable Aquatics

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[homer1475]

I don't what your all on about, but I have a female osc, and a male lighting maroon. They want nothing to do with each other, and the maroon actually bullies the female osc.

I knew they wouldn't pair up, but seeing as the female osc was dominant, and much larger. I figured they would at least work it out so they could coexist.

Well they have for the most part. The maroon leaves the osc alone as long as it stays in it's corner. And the osc leaves the maroon alone as long as the osc doesn't get near it's host(elegance coral). The larger the maroon gets, the more bold he gets, and the more bullying I'm seeing. May actually have to rehome the maroon.

 

[Duncan62]

Thats cool and all but i want to try to mix. My thoughts are if i have any color female(besides maroon) and pair a male of another color(even maroon) i shouldnt have issues correct?

I've read about mixing. Some of the clowns folks buy now are hybrids. I know from experience a true percula and a false will breed. The babies have lesser black stripes and aren't as bossy as percula. Good luck with it. I had to hatch and feed rotifers and powdered flakes to the fry. I'm sure you can buy stuff now. Raising the babies to a half inch is the tough part. It's worth it to watch them maintain the eggs.