Figuring out how much to dose with auto doser?

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I did the 3 day test beginning with
Ca 450
Mg 1400
DKH 8.4

after 3 days and at the same time of day
Ca 400
Mg 1240
DKH 7.7

My tank is 193g water volume mixed reef that has been up 5 weeks and is cycled.
It is an upgrade from a 125 to a 180. New sand bed of 4" and re, use on some but not all LR and the sb was seeded w/ 125 sand and came as wet LS. I do have about 200 lbs pounds of cured DIY LR. If any of this matters. Salifert PO4 test shows 0 and PH avgs 8 between day and night. fuge lighting on reverse schedual.

I am trying to figure out how much to dose with an auto doser (Jebao dp-4). The supplies I have for this are 100% calcium hardness, soda ash, and 1/2g of brightwells ready mixed magnesium sulfate. I do have epsom salts but waiting on the magnesium chloride to get here. Can anyone help with this? Am I missing something I should also be checking for?
 
Start low and test again till you get balanced. Like maybe 1 ml per hour and test in 3 days see where you are at then adjust up or down from there but do small adjustments so not to shock everything
 
Should I balance it first before dosing or bring it up with dosing then level it?
 
I recommend using the Reef Chemistry Calculator. Now that you've done the hard part you can just punch in the values and your dosing chemicals:

Simply determine how much of each chemical you need to raise your calcium/alkalinity/magnesium by x amount. Use the data you collected to determine how much you consume each day. Pick your target values and use the calculator. This should give you pretty close to what you need to be dosing each day.

Reef Chemistry Calculator

 
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Just dont change readings by more than 100 points at a time. I used my apex and it didnt take long to bring mine up and level it
 
I recommend using the Reef Chemistry Calculator. Now that you've done the hard part you can just punch in the values and your dosing chemicals:

Reef Chemistry Calculator

None of the MFG show on the calculators. This is why I'm asking.
I have Suncoast Chemicals 100% calcium hardness
Solvay Dense Soda Ash
and Brightwells premixed magnesion
 
Reeftronics If using a controler, this is a great site. A good rule of thumb is 100ml per day of 2 part. Then re-test every 3 days and adjust accordingly.
 
You lost roughly 0.2 dKH per day, so use the calculator to figure that dose, then set the doser to add that amount each day.

The calcium probably did not drop that much, unless you did a water change in between. If it did actually get consumed, alk would have had to have dropped by a huge amount more than it did (more like 2.3 dKH per day). So let's just ignore the calcium for now and dose both calcium and alkalinity based on the alk drop (which is more accurately measured by hobby kits) and then only adjust calcium dosing up or down over time if needed.

Make up solutions of the calcium and alkalinity according to my recipes here:

An Improved Do-it-Yourself Two-Part Calcium and Alkalinity Supplement System by Randy Holmes-Farley - Reefkeeping.com

Since you are using soda ash instead of baking soda, we need to adjust that downward a bit, and we also need to determine if your calcium product is a hydrate or is anhydrous.

Do you know?
 
You lost roughly 0.2 dKH per day, so use the calculator to figure that dose, then set the doser to add that amount each day.

The calcium probably did not drop that much, unless you did a water change in between. If it did actually get consumed, alk would have had to have dropped by a huge amount more than it did (more like 2.3 dKH per day). So let's just ignore the calcium for now and dose both calcium and alkalinity based on the alk drop (which is more accurately measured by hobby kits) and then only adjust calcium dosing up or down over time if needed.

Make up solutions of the calcium and alkalinity according to my recipes here:

An Improved Do-it-Yourself Two-Part Calcium and Alkalinity Supplement System by Randy Holmes-Farley - Reefkeeping.com

Since you are using soda ash instead of baking soda, we need to adjust that downward a bit, and we also need to determine if your calcium product is a hydrate or is anhydrous.

Do you know?
I'm checking
 
You lost roughly 0.2 dKH per day, so use the calculator to figure that dose, then set the doser to add that amount each day.

The calcium probably did not drop that much, unless you did a water change in between. If it did actually get consumed, alk would have had to have dropped by a huge amount more than it did (more like 2.3 dKH per day). So let's just ignore the calcium for now and dose both calcium and alkalinity based on the alk drop (which is more accurately measured by hobby kits) and then only adjust calcium dosing up or down over time if needed.

Make up solutions of the calcium and alkalinity according to my recipes here:

An Improved Do-it-Yourself Two-Part Calcium and Alkalinity Supplement System by Randy Holmes-Farley - Reefkeeping.com

Since you are using soda ash instead of baking soda, we need to adjust that downward a bit, and we also need to determine if your calcium product is a hydrate or is anhydrous.

Do you know?

I called them and they said hydra (hydra-chloride)
 
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A few people have said that my DKH should actually be up around 10-11 with higher numbers for ca and mg. Is this so?

This calcium hardness says that it gets super hot. After reading your article wouldn't that tend to mean it is anhydrous calcium chloride and not what they told me?
 
A few people have said that my DKH should actually be up around 10-11 with higher numbers for ca and mg. Is this so?

It depends on the type of tank and the nutrient levels, IMO.

Here's my current take on it:

https://www.reef2reef.com/forums/re...-coral-reef-aquarium-randy-holmes-farley.html

from it:

Alkalinity

Like calcium, many corals also use "alkalinity" to form their skeletons, which are composed primarily of calcium carbonate. It is generally believed that corals take up bicarbonate, convert it into carbonate, and then use that carbonate to form calcium carbonate skeletons. That conversion process is shown as:

HCO3- → CO3-- + H+
Bicarbonate → Carbonate + proton (which is released from the coral)

To ensure that corals have an adequate supply of bicarbonate for calcification, aquarists could just measure bicarbonate directly. Designing a test kit for bicarbonate, however, is somewhat more complicated than for alkalinity. Consequently, the use of alkalinity as a surrogate measure for bicarbonate is deeply entrenched in the reef aquarium hobby.

So, what is alkalinity? Alkalinity in a marine aquarium is simply a measure of the amount of acid (H+) required to reduce the pH to about 4.5, where all bicarbonate is converted into carbonic acid as follows:

HCO3- + H+ → H2CO3

The amount of acid needed is equal to the amount of bicarbonate present, so when performing an alkalinity titration with a test kit, you are “counting” the number of bicarbonate ions present. It is not, however, quite that simple since some other ions also take up acid during the titration. Both borate and carbonate also contribute to the measurement of alkalinity, but the bicarbonate dominates these other ions since they are generally lower in concentration than bicarbonate. So knowing the total alkalinity is akin to, but not exactly the same as, knowing how much bicarbonate is available to corals. In any case, total alkalinity is the standard that aquarists use for this purpose.

Unlike the calcium concentration, it is widely believed that certain organisms calcify more quickly at alkalinity levels higher than those in normal seawater. This result has also been demonstrated in the scientific literature, which has shown that adding bicarbonate to seawater increases the rate of calcification in some corals. Uptake of bicarbonate can consequently become rate limiting in many corals. This may be partly due to the fact that the external bicarbonate concentration is not large to begin with (relative to, for example, the calcium concentration, which is effectively about 5 times higher).

For these reasons, alkalinity maintenance is a critical aspect of coral reef aquarium husbandry. In the absence of supplementation, alkalinity will rapidly drop as corals use up much of what is present in seawater. Water changes are not usually sufficient to maintain alkalinity unless there is very little calcification taking place. Most reef aquarists try to maintain alkalinity at levels at or slightly above those of normal seawater, although exactly what levels different aquarists target depends a bit on the goals of their aquaria.

Interestingly, because some corals may calcify faster at higher alkalinity levels, and because the abiotic (nonbiological) precipitation of calcium carbonate on heaters and pumps also rises as alkalinity rises, the demand for alkalinity (and calcium) rises as the alkalinity rises. So an aquarist generally must dose more calcium and alkalinity EVERY DAY to maintain a higher alkalinity (say, 11 dKH) than to maintain 7 dKH. It is not just a one-time boost that is needed to make up that difference. In fact, calcification gets so slow as the alkalinity drops below 6 dKH that reef aquaria rarely get much below that point, even with no dosing: natural calcification has nearly stopped at that level.

In general, I suggest that aquarists maintain alkalinity between about 7-11 dKH (2.5 and 4 meq/L; 125-200 ppm CaCO3 equivalents). Many aquarists growing SPS corals and using Ultra Low Nutrient Systems (ULNS) have found that the corals suffer from “burnt tips” if the alkalinity is too high or changes too much. It is not at all clear why this is the case, but such aquaria are better served by alkalinity in the 7-8 dKH range.
As mentioned above, alkalinity levels above those in natural seawater increase the abiotic precipitation of calcium carbonate on warm objects such as heaters and pump impellers, or sometimes even in sand beds. This precipitation not only wastes calcium and alkalinity that aquarists are carefully adding, but it also increases equipment maintenance requirements and can “damage” a sand bed, hardening it into a chunk of limestone. When elevated alkalinity is driving this precipitation, it can also depress the calcium level. An excessively high alkalinity level can therefore create undesirable consequences.

I suggest that aquarists use a balanced calcium and alkalinity additive system of some sort for routine maintenance. The most popular of these balanced methods include limewater (kalkwasser), calcium carbonate/carbon dioxide reactors, and the two-part/three part additive systems.

For rapid alkalinity corrections, aquarists can simply use baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) or washing soda (sodium carbonate; baked baking soda) to good effect. The latter raises pH as well as alkalinity while the former has a very small pH lowering effect. Mixtures can also be used, and are what many hobby chemical supply companies sell as “buffers”. Most often, sodium carbonate is preferred, however, since most tanks can be helped by a pH boost.
 
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This calcium hardness says that it gets super hot. After reading your article wouldn't that tend to mean it is anhydrous calcium chloride and not what they told me?

Yes, the anhydrous gets really hot. The hydrate does not.

Use 20% less of the anhydrous material. :)
 
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When i started dosing i purposely started low and worked it up so i could what the change would be by how much i was dosing
 

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