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I'm new to reefs and was wondering what kind of lighting I should use, considering everywhere I go tells me something different. I have a 50 gallon fish only that is just using one marineland led strip and it works great. So I was going to use the same type of light just longer, would that be ok? My reef tank will be a 20 gallon long, right now I have a aqueon 500 powerhead running and a eheim 2234 60 gallon canister filter running in the tank. I am under the impression that it should be ok due to I have a fluval edge 6 gallon and the standard leds that come with that are working just fine with small polyps and my mushroom. I'm going include a picture of what's setup now in the 20 gallon and a picture of the type of light I was thinking about using.

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I am not trying to be negative, but that set up is notgoing to be sustainable in the long run.

Cons:
Lighting will not be sufficient
Canister filter will over time produce nitrates and other mess you dont want and will just cause more harm thanhelp for a reef.

What you NEED (just for a basic set up to start):
Protein Skimmer:
Better Lighting: depending on what type of corals you wish to keep. Please postback with all corals you wish to keep in the future. You can use a wide rangeof lights based on the coral types.

 
I have a protein skimmer and what kind of filter would you suggest?

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Thats all you need. The protein skimmer and cycled rock with filter your tank.
 
But I thought the canister would cause me problems?

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But I thought the canister would cause me problems?

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It will. There are a good number of people who like to use live rock, protein skimming, as well as good water movement as the live rock will provide all the necessary bio filtration. It's more or less known as the Berlin Method.

As far as lighting, if you're going to plan on just keeping softies, zoas and palys, you can get away with perhaps a dual T5-HO fixture. There are some really good priced ones out there and just get an actinic, as well as a 10K bulb or something like that.

If you ever plan on doing SPS, I would invest now in lighting.

My advice from my own experience is to just invest in really good controllable lighting now, because eventually you will probably take an interest in sps and they need very high light.

As far as water flow, get what you can afford. Koralias work well, although they only provide a constant flow. If you have the extra cash look into an ecotech mp-10.

The key to the live rock method, is high water flow. High water flow keeps debris from settling in nook and crannies, then decaying and raising your nitrates.

Hope this helps. My advice is to go slow, research what advice you get, save money and buy good equipment. The key to this hobby is learning as much as you can and also keeping the tank stable. I started by buying cheaper equipment and then spending the money on nicer equipment when the cheap stuff didn't accomplish what the tank needed.
 
Awesome thanks that's a lot of help I have a 6000lph dual power head that I could put in there, would that be to much flow for the berlin method?

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Awesome thanks that's a lot of help I have a 6000lph dual power head that I could put in there, would that be to much flow for the berlin method?

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Depends on if it's adjustable. 6000lph is a lot of flow for a 20 gallon. If you can crank it down a bunch you should be able to use it. Many people use multiple powerheads in various locations. You kind of want to break up the water flow and not blast upwards of 1,600 gallons an hour in one direction.

Start here: google these keywords individually and read up as much as you can on them. 1. Berlin Method. 2. 20L water movement in a reef aquarium or water movement reef aquarium/tank

Also, don't just take one persons advice as gospel. If someone, even me gives you advice, do some research on it. I just posted a comment last night about dosing. I've never dosed a reef aquarium before, but since I have stocked the tank with calcium and alkalinity depleting corals, I need to start dosing. I've gotten some good advice and now I'm researching the advice prior to implementing it.

You'll get many different methods people use. Research everything about them, and see if they are for you. Berlin method has been around for a long time and is proven. It's a fairly inexpensive and low tech method. Just research it and understand what is actually going on and why it works. This is very important!

Back in the old days when I started reefing, we didn't have the internet, and boy would I have done so much better and successful had it been around back then. I want to see you be successful with your tank so this is why I'm stressing the research part.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. I'm able to regurgitate a lot of stuff I've read and make it a bit easier to understand. Just remember, plan your equipment accordingly as it is the life support system of the tank.
 
So I read up on the berlin method and most of what I read requires you to have no sand just a clean bottom, and I already have sand. So I'm going to run my setup and see how my levels are before I add coral

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Definitely not true about having no sand. It is beneficial in lets say, an aggressive fish only setup, or a reef setup which doesn't have any type of "clean up crew"(CUC),(google that too if you're not familiar). The reason you would have no sand in a aggressive fish only system is because 1st of all, fish put out a lot of waste which settles in and on the sand, which in turn creates poor water quality, and 2nd, in an aggressive fish only system, you can't really have a great CUC because the fish in that type of system will eat most of your CUC critters which "clean up", all the leftover waste; hence the name CUC.

Now in a reef setup, we tend to stock "reef safe", inhabitants which basically means they won't harm other fish, coral, or members of a CUC. Well usually they won't. Because of this, we can add a CUC to our reef tanks to aid in cleaning excessive waste produced by fish, feeding, etc...So, it is perfectly acceptable, and even beneficial in a reef system to have sand. Also, you can google a "deep sand bed". This is another option that many people use successfully. I can go on and on forever lol but like other members will tell you, do your research. I am by no means an expert, and I actually consider myself a beginner, but I just read everyday as much as I can, and use forums like this to soak up tons of info.

As for the Berlin method, go for it. It's super simple, cheap, and it works very efficiently. I run I guess what you'd call a multi-method type filtration. I dunno lol basically I run a Berlin sump with a separate refugium. I'll start writing a book here tho if I go on about that! Might I suggest some reading material? The book that got me on my feet with the basic knowledge to run a saltwater tank is called "the complete idiots guide to saltwater aquariums". I got it on amazon for $0.99! Pick it up I'm telling you! I actually have the old version and the new version which are both great. Another more advanced(and more expensive) book I recommend is, "the reef aquarium volume 3". This will tell you everything, I mean everything about reefing.

Again, don't take my word as gospel, do your own research. And what I said above is not the exact science of it and there is so much more to it than can be said in a couple paragraphs.

I'll include some pics of my filtration systems and of the books.
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The above pic is an example of the "Berlin" method. Water drains from the aquarium into the sump, the protein skimmer pulls out dissolved solids, and the water gets returned by the pump to the aquarium. And I definitely have sand with a CUC of course.
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My 90 which I use that filtration in the pic above. Nothing special as I said I'm a beginner with coral, but my water parameters are good to go using the Berlin method filtration. I have a couple media reactors too but that's just another thing you'll have to read about!
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The above two pictures are of the filtration I use on my 50 gal cube(reef setup). It shows a combination of filtration methods in one. It's referred to as a sump/refugium. With this method, macroalgaes are utilized in combination with several other things to filter the aquarium. Google! Haha

Well I hope this wasn't too much, and I apologize if you knew this stuff already and ive insulted your intelligence, but I just wanted to share a piece of knowledge that will get you on the right track. Good luck


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Almost forgot about the books. I know "the reef aquarium", is expensive, but $0.99 for the other two is definitely obtainable I think. Either way, great reads.
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Sorry lol another great reference that I've stayed up all night watching for days, and I still turn to, is YouTube. Check out these YouTube member's channels:
Newyorksteelo
Mr. Saltwater tank tv
Brstv
LAfishguys

These aren't the only ones and as you browse you'll just be directed to even more great vids.



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No insult taken some of it I knew but I do not mind being reminded, everything that everyone has said had been very helpful, that's why I love this forum! I don't mine being told no that won't work or no don't do that either, I would rather someone say that than me doing something the wrong way and having my system crash. The light I am looking at getting is the marineland reef capable 24-36 led. I have been told that would be the way to go for my shallow 20 long tank. I've been asked also what kind of coral am I going to have in my tank because that will I guess help determine what I should and shouldn't use, I think I'm putting soft corals first id like to do a mixed reef tank too but I'm sure that would require a lot more equipment. Thank you again to everyone for all the advice,i really appreciate it and keep it coming. Looks like a good day to go shopping lol.


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Sorry lol another great reference that I've stayed up all night watching for days, and I still turn to, is YouTube. Check out these YouTube member's channels:
Newyorksteelo
Mr. Saltwater tank tv
Brstv
LAfishguys

These aren't the only ones and as you browse you'll just be directed to even more great vids.



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I am subscribed to all of those, and have watched some of them several times including tonight lol

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The marineland light will work for entry level stuff, but trust me, you're going to want other corals eventually that require more intense lighting. Better to just invest in it now than purchase something that you'll have to upgrade later. Look on the selling forum for LEDs if thats what you want. The AI Sols are going for pretty good prices and they'll be good for your needs for a while. If you want to spend a bit more, the Ecotech Radions are awesome. I just upgraded to them and I had to turn them down to 30% power because they were so intense they were burning my corals up top. Now everything is good. Great coloration, shimmer, and awesome growth so far.
 
Good stuff! well you didn't need my input at all then!lol you're on the right track so just keep up the good research and questions. can't hurt
 
I agree with him ^ ha. You need to update the light fixture. That light will be ok with most polyps and mushrooms, but any LPS and SPS will not do well at all. I would save that money and either go T5 or LED. and they really arnt cheap. I would recommend Reefbreeders for led, no experience with T5 brands.

Your movement of water will be ok, and some like BB (bare bottom) tanks some like DSB. some go in between with a little bit of sand. BB tanks stay cleaner as the debris will not get caught in the sand, but you will be limited on some livestock. I like sand, not exactly DSB but 2''. As far as a sump, I am guessing the tank is not drilled and i never hear good things about hob overflows. there are hob skimmers, but still not always a good route. you could just do powerheads and LR and do weekly 10% water changes and be ok.

just read up on everything, sense you have done saltwater, guessing FOWLR? you will be ok. Youtube is a savior for help and so is this forum.
 
I agree with him. I made the same mistake on going cheap when I first started. Buy good equipment. You will have ups and down with the reef hobby but it is very rewarding when you get good results. Good luck.
It will. There are a good number of people who like to use live rock, protein skimming, as well as good water movement as the live rock will provide all the necessary bio filtration. It's more or less known as the Berlin Method.

As far as lighting, if you're going to plan on just keeping softies, zoas and palys, you can get away with perhaps a dual T5-HO fixture. There are some really good priced ones out there and just get an actinic, as well as a 10K bulb or something like that.

If you ever plan on doing SPS, I would invest now in lighting.

My advice from my own experience is to just invest in really good controllable lighting now, because eventually you will probably take an interest in sps and they need very high light.

As far as water flow, get what you can afford. Koralias work well, although they only provide a constant flow. If you have the extra cash look into an ecotech mp-10.

The key to the live rock method, is high water flow. High water flow keeps debris from settling in nook and crannies, then decaying and raising your nitrates.

Hope this helps. My advice is to go slow, research what advice you get, save money and buy good equipment. The key to this hobby is learning as much as you can and also keeping the tank stable. I started by buying cheaper equipment and then spending the money on nicer equipment when the cheap stuff didn't accomplish what the tank needed.
 

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