Fish and Treatment Guidelines (with chart)

cody hendrix · Jan 23, 2018

Greenstreet.1 said:
There’s a chart on the first page of this thread. It’s like a wrasse so you may have to be cautious with it.

Yea I saw the chart but didn't see it on the chart.

Greenstreet.1 · Jan 23, 2018

cody hendrix said:
Yea I saw the chart but didn't see it on the chart.

It is there it says 5 for parrotfish in cp.

cody hendrix · Jan 23, 2018

Greenstreet.1 said:
It is there it says 5 for parrotfish in cp.

My bad I didn't see it there. so ill defiantly stay away from CP for it then. Copper it is then

Mundeez · Jan 26, 2018

Hey guys I wanted to share a recent success story. After a tank-wide ich outbreak, the result of introducing an un-quarantined Mandarin Dragonet, I had a tough choice to make as far as quarantine procedures go. My fish (Purple Tang, Blue Hippo, Foxface, 3 Chromis, 2 clowns, and now a Mandarin) weren't all qualified to go into QT with QP, due to the Hippo. However, due to space restrictions, husbandry concerns, and time constraints, I had to give it a try as it was the only quarantine option that was feasible for me. (TTM wasn't possible given my schedule at the time, and I'd had problems with copper too).

I asked @Humblefish ahead of time if he'd ever heard of anyone getting a Hippo through CP treatment, and he informed me that @melypr1985 had done it recently... So I decided to give it a shot. During the first week, she was okay, but eventually she stopped eating her normal food. At this point I was ready to take her out, but fortunately I was able to get her to start eating again by offering a different food (they were all originally eating a homemade blend of shrimp, scallops, white fish, broccoli, vitamins, and garlic). I had to start offering her more seaweed starting in week 2... But eventually she didn't want that either. Finally I tried PE pellets, which got her through to the end of treatment. I watched her like a hawk the whole time (she's my favorite fish) and I really believe the varied diet helped get her through.

Also, yes I learned my lesson about adding un-quarantined fish to the DT...I rolled the dice when I added the Mandarin because I'd previously failed at getting one through QT. Unfortunately, this second Mandarin, the one that caused all the trouble, didn't make it either (despite adding $60 worth of live copepods to the QT specifically for her). I've given up the Dragonet dream, but wanted to share that it is possible to get a Hippo through CP... So maybe the red "5" on the chart at the beginning of this thread can come down to like an orange "4". Also a big thanks to everyone who helped along the way [emoji1]

Humblefish · Jan 26, 2018

@Mundeez That's great news!

Greenstreet.1 · Jan 27, 2018

Mundeez said:
Hey guys I wanted to share a recent success story. After a tank-wide ich outbreak, the result of introducing an un-quarantined Mandarin Dragonet, I had a tough choice to make as far as quarantine procedures go. My fish (Purple Tang, Blue Hippo, Foxface, 3 Chromis, 2 clowns, and now a Mandarin) weren't all qualified to go into QT with QP, due to the Hippo. However, due to space restrictions, husbandry concerns, and time constraints, I had to give it a try as it was the only quarantine option that was feasible for me. (TTM wasn't possible given my schedule at the time, and I'd had problems with copper too).

I asked @Humblefish ahead of time if he'd ever heard of anyone getting a Hippo through CP treatment, and he informed me that @melypr1985 had done it recently... So I decided to give it a shot. During the first week, she was okay, but eventually she stopped eating her normal food. At this point I was ready to take her out, but fortunately I was able to get her to start eating again by offering a different food (they were all originally eating a homemade blend of shrimp, scallops, white fish, broccoli, vitamins, and garlic). I had to start offering her more seaweed starting in week 2... But eventually she didn't want that either. Finally I tried PE pellets, which got her through to the end of treatment. I watched her like a hawk the whole time (she's my favorite fish) and I really believe the varied diet helped get her through.

Also, yes I learned my lesson about adding un-quarantined fish to the DT...I rolled the dice when I added the Mandarin because I'd previously failed at getting one through QT. Unfortunately, this second Mandarin, the one that caused all the trouble, didn't make it either (despite adding $60 worth of live copepods to the QT specifically for her). I've given up the Dragonet dream, but wanted to share that it is possible to get a Hippo through CP... So maybe the red "5" on the chart at the beginning of this thread can come down to like an orange "4". Also a big thanks to everyone who helped along the way [emoji1]

Was that eBay or dr ordered ?

cody hendrix · Jan 27, 2018

Mundeez said:
Hey guys I wanted to share a recent success story. After a tank-wide ich outbreak, the result of introducing an un-quarantined Mandarin Dragonet, I had a tough choice to make as far as quarantine procedures go. My fish (Purple Tang, Blue Hippo, Foxface, 3 Chromis, 2 clowns, and now a Mandarin) weren't all qualified to go into QT with QP, due to the Hippo. However, due to space restrictions, husbandry concerns, and time constraints, I had to give it a try as it was the only quarantine option that was feasible for me. (TTM wasn't possible given my schedule at the time, and I'd had problems with copper too).

I asked @Humblefish ahead of time if he'd ever heard of anyone getting a Hippo through CP treatment, and he informed me that @melypr1985 had done it recently... So I decided to give it a shot. During the first week, she was okay, but eventually she stopped eating her normal food. At this point I was ready to take her out, but fortunately I was able to get her to start eating again by offering a different food (they were all originally eating a homemade blend of shrimp, scallops, white fish, broccoli, vitamins, and garlic). I had to start offering her more seaweed starting in week 2... But eventually she didn't want that either. Finally I tried PE pellets, which got her through to the end of treatment. I watched her like a hawk the whole time (she's my favorite fish) and I really believe the varied diet helped get her through.

Also, yes I learned my lesson about adding un-quarantined fish to the DT...I rolled the dice when I added the Mandarin because I'd previously failed at getting one through QT. Unfortunately, this second Mandarin, the one that caused all the trouble, didn't make it either (despite adding $60 worth of live copepods to the QT specifically for her). I've given up the Dragonet dream, but wanted to share that it is possible to get a Hippo through CP... So maybe the red "5" on the chart at the beginning of this thread can come down to like an orange "4". Also a big thanks to everyone who helped along the way [emoji1]

On a side note you don't have to give up on the Mandarin. I just got a captive bred one and it was eating frozen day one and pellets within a week.

Mundeez · Jan 27, 2018

Greenstreet.1 said:
Was that eBay or dr ordered ?

Got it on eBay! The seller's info was given to me by Chad over at BRS, who told me he'd had success using it in the past. I'll post it here if anyone is interested:

https://m.ebay.com/itm/Chloroquine-...ne-ich-velvet-brook-/231636780028?_mwBanner=1

Greenstreet.1 · Jan 27, 2018

Mundeez said:
Got it on eBay! The seller's info was given to me by Chad over at BRS, who told me he'd had success using it in the past. I'll post it here if anyone is interested:

https://m.ebay.com/itm/Chloroquine-...ne-ich-velvet-brook-/231636780028?_mwBanner=1

Was this your first try with it ?

awais98 · Jan 27, 2018

How do I quarantine Midas Blenny ?
Will they tolerate chelated copper?

Brew12 · Jan 27, 2018

awais98 said:
How do I quarantine Midas Blenny ?
Will they tolerate chelated copper?

That would be my first choice for a Blenny but I believe they do well in all 3 choices. One of the easier ones to QT imo.

melypr1985 · Jan 27, 2018

awais98 said:
How do I quarantine Midas Blenny ?
Will they tolerate chelated copper?

Yes. They do quite well in chelated copper. As Brew said, they will do well in CP and with TTM as well.

Greenstreet.1 · Jan 28, 2018

Mundeez said:
Got it on eBay! The seller's info was given to me by Chad over at BRS, who told me he'd had success using it in the past. I'll post it here if anyone is interested:

https://m.ebay.com/itm/Chloroquine-...ne-ich-velvet-brook-/231636780028?_mwBanner=1

Will I did contact him and he sent me this.

Humblefish · Jan 28, 2018

^^ CP shelf life is only 3 years, FYI.

NowGlazeIT · Jan 28, 2018

Humblefish said:
^^ CP shelf life is only 3 years, FYI.

;BlackeyeYou need to start offering a little bit of ice to go with those burns dude haha

Humblefish · Jan 28, 2018

NowGlazeIT said:
;BlackeyeYou need to start offering a little bit of ice to go with those burns dude haha

Unfortunately, what I say isn't usually what most people want to hear.

Greenstreet.1 · Jan 28, 2018

Humblefish said:
^^ CP shelf life is only 3 years, FYI.

Yes I remember you saying that. [emoji1531]

Humblefish · Jan 28, 2018

Greenstreet.1 said:
Yes I remember you saying that. [emoji1531]

Actually 100% CP is, "5 years when stored at room temperature in original packing."

Source: http://www.aurolabs.com/pdf/api/new/CHLOROQUINEPHOSPHATE.pdf

The 3 year shelf life is CP sourced from Diamondback Drugs, so there must be something else in their CP (binder?) with a shorter shelf life.

Which raises another question: Does CP need a binder in order to be effective (for fish)? Every time I've gotten CP from a compounding pharmacy it's always 99-99.5% pure with a 0.5-1% binder included. BUT that CP is meant for human consumption to treat malaria.