Flame hawkfish pair?

[lion king]

I will for sure, I may be getting overly excited that it worked as it’s only been 4 days but time will tell

It's a good sign that they will at least not kill each other. The violent escalation usually occurs within a few days. It doesn't mean that they will bond as a couple though, that may take more time to witness, or they may be indifferent to each or just occasionally hang. Interesting to see if the pressure within a tank setting will actually manage one to stay female and one to turn male. What size are they now, perhaps they are both still females, 2 males would likely be at each others throat.

 

[Lps_lover12]

It's a good sign that they will at least not kill each other. The violent escalation usually occurs within a few days. It doesn't mean that they will bond as a couple though, that may take more time to witness, or they may be indifferent to each or just occasionally hang. Interesting to see if the pressure within a tank setting will actually manage one to stay female and one to turn male. What size are they now, perhaps they are both still females, 2 males would likely be at each others throat.

Where I bought them from said less then 2 inch but in my opinion I would say their right on 2 inches, they may both be females because their both pretty easy going, but go crazy when it’s feeding time. They truly do have such a character to them, always watching me when I look at the tank

 

[Lps_lover12]

So I just noticed this on one of them. All the white dots around it’s eye and looks like it’s got a pimple on it’s body. The other one looks fine any idea what it could be? Maybe flukes?

 

[vetteguy53081]

I tried once and is a war between two fish

 

[Lps_lover12]

The one with the dots also has noticeably less colour. It’s more like a dull red whereas the other one is a nice bright red

 

[Lps_lover12]

I tried once and is a war between two fish

So far so good, only been 5 days tho

 

[lion king]

So I just noticed this on one of them. All the white dots around it’s eye and looks like it’s got a pimple on it’s body. The other one looks fine any idea what it could be? Maybe flukes?

@Jay Hemdal have you seen this before

 

[Lps_lover12]

@Jay Hemdal have you seen this before

I started a new thread in the fish disease treatment fourm and jay said the pimple was something from the inside pushing out. And that the stuff around the eyes he didn’t think were flukes

 

[lion king]

I try to stay out of the disease issues because my take tends to go against the mainstream. Here's my take since it appears you really didn't get any answers. Keep an eye on that eye, and yes it could have been aggravated by netting and rough transport. I have seen these things turn into a bacterial infection, so from this point on, it should not get any worse. If it gets worse or that eye turns cloudy, then I would consider further action.

That pimple could be something benign but also could pop and by doing so cause a wound, so also keep an eye on that, as a wound could also turn into an infection.

For now, water quality must be tops, lacking water quality will feed any potential bacterial infection. I believe food is key to all, so a quality diet is a must, new additions are always lacking in nutrition and their immune systems have been compromised. You could do them well by providing some live ghost shrimp if you have access to them where you are, it would be great if you could gut load them before offering. Fresh minced seafood including salmon, scallops, shrimp, clams, mussels; I usually just cut bits off of what I'm eating. Pellets like New Life Spectrum algae max and Saki-Hikari marine carnivore; carnivores would get their algae based nutrients in the wild from the guts of there prey and the other pellet in high in vit c which is good for the immune system.

 

[Lps_lover12]

I try to stay out of the disease issues because my take tends to go against the mainstream. Here's my take since it appears you really didn't get any answers. Keep an eye on that eye, and yes it could have been aggravated by netting and rough transport. I have seen these things turn into a bacterial infection, so from this point on, it should not get any worse. If it gets worse or that eye turns cloudy, then I would consider further action.

That pimple could be something benign but also could pop and by doing so cause a wound, so also keep an eye on that, as a wound could also turn into an infection.

For now, water quality must be tops, lacking water quality will feed any potential bacterial infection. I believe food is key to all, so a quality diet is a must, new additions are always lacking in nutrition and their immune systems have been compromised. You could do them well by providing some live ghost shrimp if you have access to them where you are, it would be great if you could gut load them before offering. Fresh minced seafood including salmon, scallops, shrimp, clams, mussels; I usually just cut bits off of what I'm eating. Pellets like New Life Spectrum algae max and Saki-Hikari marine carnivore; carnivores would get their algae based nutrients in the wild from the guts of there prey and the other pellet in high in vit c which is good for the immune system.

Thank you so much. I’ll keep an eye on both and make sure I see progress. I did end up doing a freshwater dip and nothing came off so at least I know it isn’t flukes. I have selcon here so I will start soaking their food in that too and see if I can find ghost shrimp for them

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

@Jay Hemdal have you seen this before

I replied to the other thread. The pimples around the eyes and the larger one on the side are unknown to me…there are internal fungus and microsporidians that cause lesions like these, but are little known, and no treatments available.
I focused on the gray spot between the eyes - these guys often have Neobenedenia flukes.
Jay

 

[Lps_lover12]

Update on the hawkfish with the white dots, the ones around the eyes have gone away (some of them) and it has gained some in between the eyes. Also the big one on the side of its body looks to have 3 new little dots beside it

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Update on the hawkfish with the white dots, the ones around the eyes have gone away (some of them) and it has gained some in between the eyes. Also the big one on the side of its body looks to have 3 new little dots beside it

To me, the spot on the side was different than the ones around the eyes. That new spots are starting on its side is not a good sign. Can you post a new pictures?

In reading back on this thread, I don't know how much of this is damage from the hawkfish biting each other. That sort of damage can take a long time to heal, and if it gets infected, the lesions can change. I know you said they have settled in together, but hawkfish are very observant and they may well be "playing nice" when you are in the room watching them. One trick is to set your phone to video them and then leave the room. If you see ANY furtive dashes, or what is called displacement (one hawk moves to the other and it moves away) then consider aggression is still happening.

Jay

 

[Lps_lover12]

To me, the spot on the side was different than the ones around the eyes. That new spots are starting on its side is not a good sign. Can you post a new pictures?

In reading back on this thread, I don't know how much of this is damage from the hawkfish biting each other. That sort of damage can take a long time to heal, and if it gets infected, the lesions can change. I know you said they have settled in together, but hawkfish are very observant and they may well be "playing nice" when you are in the room watching them. One trick is to set your phone to video them and then leave the room. If you see ANY furtive dashes, or what is called displacement (one hawk moves to the other and it moves away) then consider aggression is still happening.

Jay

I will attach some new pics down below, it also has a white spot on its fin (not ich, much bigger then ich) also I will set my phone up to watch because that may be the case. It’s getting worse day by day for sure. Still eating very good and putting selcon in all the food. You can also see right behind it’s gill it has another ‘pimple’ spot

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Understand that Selcon is not a medication by any stretch. It supplies some essential fatty acids, which are often found in other foods any way. Anything that Selco helps with would be long term nutritional deficiencies, which this isn’t. So - it won’t hurt but it also won’t help this issue….
Jay

 

[vetteguy53081]

Agree selcon is a vitamin and fatty acid additive for immunity health but is by no means a cure as some have suggested it is. Disease resistance due to immunity health is the closest it would come

 

[lion king]

This is how I see it, you focus on water quality and nutrition. Or play russian roulette with chemicals trying to treat what you don;t even know what it is. Also fish have scrapes and abrasions, irritations and pimples, and such just like humans do; so maybe it's all just benign. Unless you can identify the issue as something that is lethal, I wouldn't do anything unless it started looking raw or inflamed. At that point I would consider antibiotics. If it spreads, maybe fungus, but I wouldn't treat for fungus, just cause, unless I could get it identified.

 

[Lps_lover12]

Understand that Selcon is not a medication by any stretch. It supplies some essential fatty acids, which are often found in other foods any way. Anything that Selco helps with would be long term nutritional deficiencies, which this isn’t. So - it won’t hurt but it also won’t help this issue….
Jay

Agree selcon is a vitamin and fatty acid additive for immunity health but is by no means a cure as some have suggested it is. Disease resistance due to immunity health is the closest it would come

Yeah I know but one of the reasons that I use it is because here in Canada it’s hard to get meds and they cost a lot more. If I have to get meds I will try and get them across the border. Thank you both so much for your help

 

[Lps_lover12]

This is how I see it, you focus on water quality and nutrition. Or play russian roulette with chemicals trying to treat what you don;t even know what it is. Also fish have scrapes and abrasions, irritations and pimples, and such just like humans do; so maybe it's all just benign. Unless you can identify the issue as something that is lethal, I wouldn't do anything unless it started looking raw or inflamed. At that point I would consider antibiotics. If it spreads, maybe fungus, but I wouldn't treat for fungus, just cause, unless I could get it identified.

I completly agree, I don’t do a medicated qt just observe. Is it the best way to do it? No probably not but the less stress I have to put the fish through the better. Like you said I don’t want to start treating with meds when I don’t even know what it is.

 

[Coinzmans Reef]

I had one for months, I liked him so much I bought one for my Main Display tank. I dropped the second one into the DT and Immediately I felt sick ! After dropping him in he started to eyeball my cleaner shrimp Doc. At this point I remembered reading that they can kill shrimp.

So I did the impossible and scooped him out within five minutes. Now what ? That's right put him in with the Zeus. The two of them were like bookends. They were inseparable until for reasons unknown Poseidon jumped out. I would recommend one fairly larger than the other so there is no doubt who is going to be dominant.