FLAME WRASSE QT ISSUES urgent

Humblefish · Mar 28, 2016

@Jlobes Not sure about flukes, but the stringy white poop is indicative of intestinal worms. So, once he looks recovered I would treat with Prazipro.

Keepswiming · Mar 28, 2016

I hope your not talking about the uniform white spots going down his back? Flames show those white spots at times, it's normal.

Reefwise · Mar 28, 2016

Humblefish said:
@Jlobes The reason I am suspecting flukes is the translucent-looking spots on his body (near the lateral line) in your pics.

Those transparent spots I'm pretty positive are not flukes. When flame wrasses get stressed (much like some other fish) their color changes and they tend to show lighter colored areas all over their body. We do see it when they come in from a shipment for the first day or two while they're still adjusting. The behavior is a different story. My first thought is water quality. What are the QT params?

melypr1985 · Mar 28, 2016

Sorry I'm late to the party! Looks like you got your answer though. Prazi for the intestinal worms. Having that can make them lethargic and look pretty pitiful after a while. After you rid him of them, focus on getting healthy vitamin enriched foods to build up his immune system again. Good luck!

Keepswiming · Mar 28, 2016

Reefwise said:
Those transparent spots I'm pretty positive are not flukes. When flame wrasses get stressed (much like some other fish) their color changes and they tend to show lighter colored areas all over their body. We do see it when they come in from a shipment for the first day or two while they're still adjusting. The behavior is a different story. My first thought is water quality. What are the QT params?

That's what I said. I hope we are wrong so the wrasse isn't being stressed out through the treatments when it doesn't need it.

melypr1985 · Mar 28, 2016

Keepswiming said:
That's what I said. I hope we are wrong so the wrasse isn't being stressed out through the treatments when it doesn't need it.

The prazi suggested is also the treatment for intestinal worms, which the OP has stated the fish has symptoms for. The treatment is indeed necessary to rid the fish of these. It just so happens that the same med is used for this and for flukes. That's why it was still suggested after flukes was ruled out with the FW dip.

No worries now

Keepswiming · Mar 28, 2016

melypr1985 said:
The prazi suggested is also the treatment for intestinal worms, which the OP has stated the fish has symptoms for. The treatment is indeed necessary to rid the fish of these. It just so happens that the same med is used for this and for flukes. That's why it was still suggested after flukes was ruled out with the FW dip. No worries now

Yeah I use prazi on all my wrasses also. Fw dip stresses them out in my experience. I only used prazi on all leopards and flames and they are healthy and eating pellets but I got lucky.

Reefwise · Mar 28, 2016

The only downside to prazi in this situation is that sometimes it has been known to suppress appetite. Thats why we often recommend Dr. G's Anti Parasitic Caviar, because they still readily accept it.

Duke4Life · Mar 28, 2016

Prazipro is my favorite medication and something I dose every fish with upon entering my house. If you can offer a variety you'll often find something they find irresistible.

ZoaCollector · Mar 28, 2016

Reefwise said:
The only downside to prazi in this situation is that sometimes it has been known to suppress appetite. Thats why we often recommend Dr. G's Anti Parasitic Caviar, because they still readily accept it.

Interesting, the active ingredient is Chloroquine Phosphate but the caviars aroma make it pleasant to eat.
Do you know the contradictions with this medication to other meds? Compatability

Reefwise · Mar 28, 2016

ZoaCollector said:
Interesting, the active ingredient is Chloroquine Phosphate but the caviars aroma make it pleasant to eat.
Do you know the contradictions with this medication to other meds? Compatability

My mistake. I meant to say their "De-Wormer" where the active ingredient is Praziquantel.

ZoaCollector · Mar 28, 2016

Reefwise said:
My mistake. I meant to say their "De-Wormer" where the active ingredient is Praziquantel.

Ah that makes more sense, I'm assuming CP takes care of internal protozoans though if fed. Possibly in the effect of metronidazole does. Although you might as well use the latter.

Humblefish · Mar 28, 2016

melypr1985 said:
The prazi suggested is also the treatment for intestinal worms, which the OP has stated the fish has symptoms for. The treatment is indeed necessary to rid the fish of these. It just so happens that the same med is used for this and for flukes. That's why it was still suggested after flukes was ruled out with the FW dip. No worries now

^^ This; although in some rare cases metro is needed to knock out prazi resistant internal parasites. Hexamita comes to mind...

Jlobes · Mar 29, 2016

well...made it through the night, albeit not looking much better/too great this AM. still sluggish and just laying on tank bottom. administered Prazi yesterday evening, at a slightly reduced dosage. gonna offer some food and see what happens. thanks for all the tips, help and advice, much appreciated.

params have been in check, 0 ammonia, 1.023 SG, and 78 degrees.....

Jlobes · Mar 30, 2016

quick update:

labouti still cruising and doing his thing. does not seem to be affected by the same issues at the moment.

Flame is still alive and fighting!! did the FW dip on Monday, followed by a 3/4 dose of prazi in the evening. Flame was definitely not looking great yesterday and I was SURE he was gonna pass at some point or by this AM, but did not and might appear to be improving. Yesterday, he was fairly inactive and on his side most of the day, with bouts of activity and a lil bit of eating. was a few moments where I was sure he was dead and pretty sure I saw him passing a worm, gonna take a pic. today, still sluggish and minimal activity but more upright and not laying on side. will get pics soon. Thanks to all for the help and tips. been a stressful couple days for the fishes, but heres to hoping we get through it and make it to the DT!!!

Jlobes · Mar 30, 2016

found this in the tank this AM. I know it wasnt in there last night as I did a WC and siphoned all the leftover food and any waste I could see.... expelled worm?? just poop?

Humblefish · Mar 30, 2016

@Jlobes Not really sure what that is, but it's probably a good thing that it came out of one of your fish.

Jlobes · Mar 30, 2016

Humblefish said:
@Jlobes Not really sure what that is, but it's probably a good thing that it came out of one of your fish.

agreed. it was more worm like in the tank.

flame is up and down today. now hes on his side, breathing heavy. Labouti still chilling out....

Reefwise · Mar 30, 2016

With worm infections you would normally see eggs in the poop but I don't seem to see any.

Also when fish are fed high protein diets they can often get stringy poop that looks like what you would see from a worm infection. High protein poops can also be harder for fish to expel, causing the fish to be distressed in the process.

That's what that picture reminds me of.

nbagnardi · Apr 27, 2016

@Jlobes how'd the flame make out? just noticed mine hanging towards the top, pooped out a strand of white stuff. i just ordered the Dr. G's and gonna sprinkle some metroplex on the reef frenzy tomorrow evening.