Forgot to add ammonia…

[endlessrealm]

I added 2 bottles of fritz 900 to my 200G. 5 days ago, and I completely forgot to add ammonia for the bacteria. I am going to buy some today. How long do i have for bacteria to start dying. Or i already passed that time?

 

[brandon429]

They didn’t die in the bottle without it, who said they’ll die when added to the tank

you dont even need any, use updated cycling science to save money

 

[brandon429]

Simply add a ground up pinch of fish food any type into the tank and wait five days then proceed. This is a testless, no liquid ammonia cycle we’ve been doing several years so far on the forum.
no testing for any parameter is required. before you add fish, read the disease forum during the lead up time to see what happens when disease preps are skipped

making your fish live has nothing to do with the cycle, bottle bac companies worked that step out without any thought on our side. It’s all in the disease preps, as soon as you add fish first, those are gone.

 

[endlessrealm]

Simply add a ground up pinch of fish food any type into the tank and wait five days then proceed. This is a testless, no liquid ammonia cycle we’ve been doing several years so far on the forum.
no testing for any parameter is required. before you add fish, read the disease forum during the lead up time to see what happens when disease preps are skipped

making your fish live has nothing to do with the cycle, bottle bac companies worked that step out without any thought on our side. It’s all in the disease preps, as soon as you add fish first, those are

Simply add a ground up pinch of fish food any type into the tank and wait five days then proceed. This is a testless, no liquid ammonia cycle we’ve been doing several years so far on the forum.
no testing for any parameter is required. before you add fish, read the disease forum during the lead up time to see what happens when disease preps are skipped

making your fish live has nothing to do with the cycle, bottle bac companies worked that step out without any thought on our side. It’s all in the disease preps, as soon as you add fish first, those are gone.

I was gonna do a fishless cycle. And buy alreadh prw quarantined fish

 

[brandon429]

excellent.

the issue is all the corals that come after, if you add one snail/a coral, anything wet from a pet store it breaks that costly qt prep chain and can vector in disease. this is the right way to stock the tank with those qt fish:

Has anyone done coral/inverts only and no fish at first?

Fish seem to be the main cause of disruption in a display tank, given the current circumstances in the hobby with pests (ich, velvet, parasites, etc.). I have been in this hobby for 18 years, and the amount of pests that are showing up lately is much more (could also be the fact that we have...

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fish go in last.

 

[Garf]

However, that’s totally unrealistic for most peeps, lol. How rubbish would it be, never to be able to add a cheap frag (after reasonable dipping etc), after the fish had gone in? Very, I’m thinking.

I was gonna do a fishless cycle. And buy alreadh prw quarantined fish

I would add ammonia to say 0.5ppm and see if it’s gone by tomorrow. Test your water before adding the ammonia to give yourself a baseline though. Post pics on this thread, it would be interesting

 

[brandon429]

read the disease forum, though it's easier to just keep buying new fish in replacement that's terrible. it's not hard for most people, they just have to curb instant gratification thinking, which is what props up work in the disease forum.

agreed if someone has enough disposable cash, skipping disease won't matter they can just replace each year. there's no way to read the disease forum and think a new dry start tank will remain disease free after breaking protocols, only luck pulls that off. if two clownfish and a goby are the total goal, all of nano-reef.com shows that to trend o.k.

any speciation beyond that, the inherent loss timeframes from the disease forum here (within 8 mos) apply.

 

[endlessrealm]

read the disease forum, though it's easier to just keep buying new fish in replacement that's terrible. it's not hard for most people, they just have to curb instant gratification thinking, which is what props up work in the disease forum.

agreed if someone has enough disposable cash, skipping disease won't matter they can just replace each year. there's no way to read the disease forum and think a new dry start tank will remain disease free after breaking protocols, only luck pulls that off. if two clownfish and a goby are the total goal, all of nano-reef.com shows that to trend o.k.

any speciation beyond that, the inherent loss timeframes from the disease forum here (within 8 mos) apply.

So basically what you are saying u add all the corals, and inverts you want and then u add fish. And after that any coral or any invert you want you can’t get? I am not trying to disagree with your method. I read the thread you added but ir does seem tough. What about if you have a strong powerful UV sterilizer wouldn’t get rid of parasites?

 

[hunterallen40]

So basically what you are saying u add all the corals, and inverts you want and then u add fish. And after that any coral or any invert you want you can’t get? I am not trying to disagree with your method. I read the thread you added but ir does seem tough. What about if you have a strong powerful UV sterilizer wouldn’t get rid of parasites?

I believe the point they are getting at is that you can still introduce ich and velvet on anything wet. This includes snails, Stony coral, crabs, and live rock.

The majority people do not follow the ich irradiation method, and do approach this issue by proper diet and sterilizers. It should also be noted that infections from coral are far less likely than infections from fish, but it is not impossible.

I fallow my corals, snails and crabs for 45 days at 81F before they go in the display. I have an achilles tang, and I absolutely adore that fish... It's just not worth the risk to me. But I won't pass judgement on people too quickly for not doing this. It's just not feasible for some.

 

[brandon429]

Truly nobody here can inform you without bias. Even my responses to those valid questions will be biased and there are people who will advise skipping preps because it worked for them, that's a bias

Fish Disease Treatment and Diagnosis

A forum for discussing treatment and diagnosing saltwater reef fish.

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U gotta read this forum. Read each help post for two pages, look how busy Jay is fixing up massive fish loss rates

Notice nobody else is fixing the damaged fish other than Jay... all the advices to skip preps maybe bc someone got lucky or has a skill they can't transmit to others ends in that forum, because when it comes time to account for that advice they're not where the work is. I don't even keep marine fish, they're not fun for me given these challenges I only like corals and the science that runs them.

You must draw your own % likelihood success from studying that forum and listen to nobody's swayed advice, that's my best advice. Truly the loss rates are mega high. I wouldn't advise skipping preps after paying for prepared fish for sure.

Below is Jay's article on biosecurity:

Biosecurity

A short introduction to aquarium biosecurity

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Notice this detail: nobody who advises skipping preps has an article we can link showing the masses how to stock items from a pet store without any disease preps, that matters a lot to me.

By studying the disease forum and watching patterns Jay uses to fix crashing fish populations, you can instate those before the loss preemptively vs reactively after hundreds of dollars in fish were lost.

 

[brandon429]

One thing I like about this thread is we're using updated cycling science: skip past cycling concerns quickly, they're a non issue, and get knee deep into disease prep hashing

Disease preps are the new challenge, cycling isn't an issue at all

Even if you took no steps with ammonia or fish food, and added fish now, the cycle wouldn't be harmed. Moving water bacteria into more water isn't antibacterial and that fritz would just fish- in cycle anyway just fine with no harm to the fish. It's the top brand of fast cycling bac

Fish- in cycling with bottle bac isn't an ammonia risk it's a disease risk equal to a three month perfectly measured cycle, with corals and inverts added with no fallow preps.

The few days wait was just to give implantation time we don't even need, it's just a prudent habit in reef cycling, and the wait time gives reading time for fish disease preps. There's no way to read that article and think skipping preps is a solid bet

 

[hunterallen40]

One thing I like about this thread is we're using updated cycling science: skip past cycling concerns quickly, they're a non issue, and get knee deep into disease prep hashing

Disease preps are the new challenge, cycling isn't an issue at all

Even if you took no steps with ammonia or fish food, and added fish now, the cycle wouldn't be harmed. Moving water bacteria into more water isn't antibacterial and that fritz would just fish- in cycle anyway just fine with no harm to the fish. It's the top brand of fast cycling bac

Fish- in cycling with bottle bac isn't an ammonia risk it's a disease risk equal to a three month perfectly measured cycle, with corals and inverts added with no fallow preps.

The few days wait was just to give implantation time we don't even need, it's just a prudent habit in reef cycling, and the wait time gives reading time for fish disease preps. There's no way to read that article and think skipping preps is a solid bet

I share your viewpoint on quarantine, and agree with you for the most part. What I see as essential may not be feasible for people, and I would imagine most new reefers don't know what corals they want to keep day one.

I thought I was really into LPS when I started. Turns out I like acros. If I had stocked my tank with LPS, I would not have discovered the love I have for SPS.

I am not saying QT is unimportant, I am presenting fallowing corals separately as a different path to success.