Thank you both for the replys! I would like to reply to
both:
@vetteguy53081 : Yes, it was living 14 days with a POWDER BROWN TANG following the ich treatment with copper power. It has been currently outside of the QT tank in a 45 gallon tank and I have been adding 25 mL of API MELAFIX + Seachem Stressguard daily (4th day today) in hopes of aliviating this injury.... do you think it might work? Are the other fish in that tank at risk?
@Jay Hemdal Yes... Copper Brown was with him and might have injured him. While catching the fish for the 100% water change i try to do it as carefully as possible but a am very new at the hobby and dont rule out that i might have hurt the fish somehow. Regarding running copper power (2.5ppm) for 30 days.... I was not aware it needed SO MUCH time... I only ran it for 14 days CLEAN (17 real days) as I followed a video from BRSTV called the 80/20 quarintine method where they recomend these 100% water changes and running copper for 14 days clean (starting to count on the first day with no symptoms) as they started that QT due to ICH. I will leave the link here: ; Does this mean that this method ilustrated in the video is not correct? Now i am afraid i did not erradicate Ich....from the fish... i currently have my MAIN DISPLAY TANK without fish 3 weeks.... and plan to leave it like that 11 weeks total according to that same video series from BRSTV....
Basically this is my complete story (its gonna be a long one but i REALLY need help here..... i am very new at the hobby) and i feel I've been bouncing all over the place:
January 11, 2023:
-I started a 200 Gallon Reef tank...
-Used coraline rock from a local beach (i live in the carribean) that i cured with Acid and Bleach and left under the sun for 2 weeks to remove all chlorine.
-Used live sand (aragonite crushed coral) from the same beach, unfortunatley due to lack of experience I did not treat the sand. Only left under the sun for the same 2 weeks.
-I started the cicle for the tank using the RED SEA MATURE KIT program (21 day program) but unfortunatley I followed the advice from a local reefer who convinced me to put fish since day 3 stating that "nothing bad would happen". I was not aware of QT procedures so i went ahead and put all the fish in including:
-Naso Tang (1)
-Powder Brown Tang (1)
-Sailfin Tang (1) -
Looks weak upong arrival...
-FoxFace Rabbit Fish (1)
-Diamond Goby (1)
-Neon Engineer Goby (1)
-Coral Beauty Angelfish (1)
-Anthias Hutchi (1)
-Chromis Damsel (6)
-Lawnmower Blenny (1)
-Firefish (1)
-Royal Gramma (1)
-Yellow Tail Damsel (1)
-Six Line Wrasse (1)
-Mexican Turbo Snails (3)
-Conehead Snails (5)
-Emerald Crab; Green (2)
-Cleaner Skunk Shrimp (1)
January 15, 2023:
Sailfing Tang was swimming weak and was trapped by powerhead. Heavily injured. Was separated to Separate Tank.
January 16, 2023:
Added 44oz of Chemipure Blue Activated Carbon
January 17, 2023:
Sailfing Tang dies from injuries sustained on Jan 15.
Scared that ammonia levels might be rising, I added 40mL of Seachem Stability Bacteria while also continuing the RED SEA Mature Kit Program
January 18, 2023:
1 Chromis Damsel (smallest one of all) shows high sings of stress.. swiming vertically in DT corner.
January 21, 2023:
Added 200mL of Seachem purigen
January 22, 2023:
1 Chromis Damsel DIES (smallest one of all). She was showing signs of weakness and stress since Jan 18. A powerhead trapped her. Unknow if encounter with powerhead killed her o if she died and then was trapped by powerhead.
Lawnmower Blenny Dies misterously.... Unknown Causes is found dead in sandbed. He was not showing any signs of sickness..
Six Line Wrasse Starts acting weak and is shown with a blemish, bacterial infection or wound on top of head... looks like URONEMA but at that point I didnt even know Uronema Existed.... Took him out of DT and separated him to try to reduce stress...
Powder Brown Tang Starts flashing on rocks and showing white spots (ICH).... for the first time.
THIS IS THE FIRST SIGN OF ICH IN THE TANK... Day 11 of new Tank.
January 23, 2023:
Six Line Wrasse Dies.... Probable Cause is wound in head (baterial infection? Uronema? Stress? Unknown)
Powder Brown is placed in separate QT Tank due to signs of ICH. 5mL of Ich-X (10 Gal tank). 20% Water changes daily before dosing ICH-X in accordance with IchX instructions.
January 24, 2023:
Turned ON for the first time the UV Filter (Coralife Turbo Twist 6X)
1 of the 5 remaning Chromis Damsels is detected with signs of URONEMA (small red sore on left side). Will be placed in QT next day.
Janaury 25, 2023:
Turned ON for the first time the REGAL 200 INT Skimmer
1 Chromis Damsel is removed to QT under URONEMA suspicion. Placed in QT with the Powder Brown Tang. Added 5mL of ICH-X to the 10 Gal Tank.
Janaury 26, 2023:
-Chromis Damsel died in QT after 24 hrs in QT tank. I suspect URONEMA. Dead with mouth WIDE OPEN. Blemish on the side just as described in @Jay Hemdal 's URONEMA article. After this I decided to place all 4 remaining Chromis in a separate QT tank as one more is also showing URONEMA signs. Added 2.5mL of Seachem PARAGUARD and feed METROPLEX bounded food once per day (2 more feedings unmedicated daily). Only 4 Chromis Left...
-Powder Brown stops showing signs of ICH in QT Tank... he is kept in QT as per ICH-X Instructions.
January 29, 2023:
-Powder Brown is returned to DT as ICH-X treatment is done. Ich is assumed to be eliminated after 6 days of treatment.
January 30, 2023:
Reef Mature Kit Cycling Program Ends
January 31, 2023:
Installed a 5 micron sediment filter as part of an effort of "ich management" according to BRSTV videos.
Feb 2, 2023:
Naso Tang is found very weak (still alive) hidden under a rock. Took him to a separate tank to treat.... Absolutley NO IDEA... what to do or what happened!
Feb 4, 2023:
Naso Tang dies without any signs of explanation of anything.. Was found very weak (still alive) hidden under a rock 2 days before. No idea what happened.
Feb 5, 2023:
-Chromis Damsel QT Tank 100% water change. Removed Biofilter and Mechanical Filtration. Added Airstone. Did a 3 min Freshwater bath as per BRSTV Recomendations for Uronema.
Same day at night another Chromis dies... no signs of uronema. but heavily bitten tail fin. Probably bullying and attacks from other 3 remaining damsels.
Started a NEW QT Tank due to ICH outbreak (again)...
-Powder Brown Tang with ICH (Again......)
-FoxFace now with ICH
-Coral Beauty Angelfish now with ICH
-Royal Gramma now with ICH
All in one QT Tank; No Bio Filter.
3 minute Freshwater Bath In accordance With BRSTV Videos between each water chance.
30 minute ICH X Bath in accordance with IchX Instructions
20% Water Change Daily in Accordance with IchX Instruccions
Feb 7, 2023:
Chromis Damsels are prematurely removed from QT due to high signs of bullying between them and returned to main DT. Prior to this, did a 3 minute freshwater bath for uronema. Added Seachem Stressguard to main DT for Chromis Damsels that were reintroduced to DT.
Feb 10, 2023:
Started POLYP LAD MEDIC Ich treatment as per manufacturers instructions in an effort to control Ich directly in the DT (Polyp Lab Medic is supposed to be Reef Safe). This treatment is supposed to be 10-15 days. In hopes of eliminating Ich in DT as this is the only REEF SAFE Ich medication i Found....
Feb 11, 2023:
-Powder Brown, FoxFace, Royal Gramma and Coral Beauty arereturned to DT as ICH-X treatment is done. Ich is assumed to be eliminated after 6 days of treatment.
Feb 20, 2023:
Royal Gramma starts showing heavy signs of stress in DT... swimming (sleeping) vertically in display tank corner... Unknown Causes...
Feb 21, 2023:
Started Feeding fish with
MEDICATED FOOD (Metroplex and Focus) to assist with ich in accordance with Seachem instructions.
Feb 22, 2023:
Skunk Cleaner Shrimp Dies...
Final Emerald Crab Dies...
Both die under the SAME conditions.... Halfway through molting procedure. Why both the same day? Coincidence? Both died "Stuck" in their old molting bodies. Possible cause of death: Ate Medicated Food with metroplex?
Feb 24, 2023:
Turned OFF the UV Filter as per LFS recomendations to avoid it from interfeering with POLYP LAB MEDIC.
March 2, 2023:
Added 5 Coral Frags and Chaeto to refugium. (Dipped corals in Seachem Dip for 20 minutes and hydrogen peroxide 3:1 parts for 1.5 minutes and Chaeto in freshwater for 2 hours.)
March 3, 2023 in the morning:
Turned ON the UV Filter to try to imprive Ich situation as
POWDER BROWN was showing alot of white spots and high signs of stress (swimming alot against the powerheads and return).
Also Anthias Hutchi was spending the night almost vertical in a corner of the tank.
March 3, 2023 at Night:
Turned OFF the UV filter as per instructions of LFS to improve POLYP LAB MEDIC RESULTS. Started counting Polyp Lab Medic treatment again as day 0. Trippled the MEDIC dosis as per LFS and POLYP LAB instructions.
March 4, 2023:
Started
another 7 days of medicated
METROPLEX food (with
FOCUS by seachem) by LFS recomendation as all the invertebrates have died.
March 6, 2023:
Anthias Hutchi DIES eventhough he was eating very well... after 3 days of showing sings of stress in swimming.
Alarms sound and Decide to go FALLOW today!.
Gave up on polyp lab medic. Gave up on Ich Management.
Took all remaining fish out and started a QT process to actively treat Ich in 3 different QT Tanks using the "BRSTV 80/20 Quarintine Method for Ich Treatment" using 2.5ppm copper power and 20mg of Nitrofurazone per gallon of water and 100% water changes every 3 days.
TANK A - 10 Gal:
-Powder Brown (Ich Positive)
-Foxface (Ich Positive)
-Yellow Tail Damsel (No signs of Ich)
-Engineer Neon Goby (No Signs of Ich)
-Copper at 2.5ppm
-200mg of Nitrofurazone
TANK B - 10 Gal:
- 3 Chromis Damsels (No Signs of Ich)
-Firefish (No Signs of Ich)
-Diamond Goby (No Signs of Ich)
-Royal Gramma (No Signs of Ich)
-Copper at 2.5 ppm
-200mg of Nitrofurazone
TANK C - 3 Gal:
-Coral Beauty Angelfish (No Signs of Ich)
-Copper at 1.0 ppm and raising .25 daily UP TO 2.0 ppm max
-60mg of Nitrofurazone
March 7, 2023:
Firefish died after 24 in copper QT tank A. No apparent reason... Didnt resist copper? He was showing no sings of ich or any other desease.
March 9, 2023:
First 100% Water change to all 3 QT Tanks (Day 3 in QT)
March 12, 2023:
Second 100% Water change to all 3 QT Tanks (Day 6 in QT)
March 15, 2023:
Third 100% Water change to all 3 QT Tanks (Day 9 in QT)
March 16, 2023:
-Purchased New Fish, which I will place in QT as now I have learned my lesson:
(6) Bangai Cardinal Fish (No visible signs of desease)
(1) Bi Color Angelfish (No visible signs of desease)
(1) Scoopas Tang (No visible signs of desease)
(1) Blue Hippo Tang (No visible signs of desease)
(1) Skunk Cleaner Shrimp (Acclimated and added directly to Fallow DT)
(2) Emerald Red Crab (New) (Acclimated and added directly to Fallow DT)
(1) Long Tentacled Colored Anemome (Acclimated and added directly to Fallow DT)
Placed the new fish in 2 NEW QT Tanks:
TANK D - 10 GAL:
(6) Bangai Cardinal Fish (No visible signs of desease)
(1) Scoopas Tang (No visible signs of desease)
(1) Blue Hippo Tang (No visible signs of desease)
-Copper at 2.5ppm
-200mg of Nitrofurazone
TANK E - 5 GAL:
(1) Bi Color Angelfish (No visible signs of desease)
-Copper at 1.0 ppm and raising .25 daily UP TO 2.0 ppm max
-100mg of Nitrofurazone
March 17, 2023:
Bengai Cardinal Dies 12 hrs after being placed in QT.. (5 left)
March 19, 2023:
Fourth 100% Water change to all 5 QT Tanks (A B C - Day 12 in QT and Tank D and E - Day 3 in QT)
March 20, 2023:
Bengai Cardinal Dies 12 hrs after water change... (4 left) ; Mouth Wide Open, Gills stuck open...
March 22, 2023:
QT in Tanks A B C Day 14 Ends. All 14 Day clean Fish (
3 Damsels, Diamond Goby, Coral Beauty, Yellow Tail Damsel) are removed from QT and added to a 55 Gallon Holding Tank with New Sand (This time i Boiled it) and new Rock (Same procedure as last time) and started dosing Seachem Stability Bacteria for the next 7 days to establish Biofilter. Added Heater and Small Powerhead. They will remain here for 2 months until main DT fallow period ends.
Powder Brown, Fox Face and Neon Engineer are left behind in QT for 3 more days to complete their 14 day CLEAN cycle in QT.
Second 100% Water change to QT Tank D and E - Day 6 in QT
March 23, 2023:
Bengai Cardinal Dies 12 hrs after water change (again....) ... (3 left) ; Mouth Wide Open, Gills stuck open... same conditions...
Small ulcer like injury appears on left side of
FoxFace body while still in QT tank. Round in shape. Looks like a wound from Powder Brown?
March 24, 2023:
QT for
Powder Brown, Foxface and Neon Engineer Day 14 CLEAN Ends. All 3 fish are removed from QT and added to the 55 Gallon Holding Tank with the rest of the crew. They will remain here for 2 months until main DT fallow period ends.
March 25, 2023:
Third 100% Water change to QT Tank D and E - Day 9 in QT
One of the 3 Chromis Damsels shows alot of missing scales. May be bullying? Doesnt look like Uronema as it is evenly distribuited in both sides of body.
March 27, 2023:
Bengai Cardinal Dies 36 hrs after water change (again....) ... (2 left); Mouth Wide Open, Gills stuck open... same conditions...
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Current Status:
-DT is Fallow only with corals and invertebrates. 9 weeks left.
-QT Tank D (Blue Hippo doing great, Scopas Tang Doing Great, 2 Bangai Cardinals left....) Copper 2.5 ppm - 4 more days left.
-QT Tank E (Bi color Angel Fish, eating very little but no signs of desease) Copper 2.0 ppm - 4 more days left.
-55 Gal Holding Tank (Foxface with wound injury, Powder Brown doing great, Diamond Goby doing great, Neon Engineer doing great, Coral Beauty doing great, Royal Gramma doing great and Yellow Tail Damsel Doing Great. 3 Chromis Damsels 2 of which doing great... 1 with alot of missing scales.....; Currently dosing MELAFIX and Stressguard due to this...
I know this was a VERY large post.... i am overwhelmed as you can see.... any advice????
What do I do with FOXFACE?
What do i do with CHROMIS?
What is killing the BENGAI CARDINALS????
