French Angel faded spots, not eating

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Can someone help me with my french angel? I bought it a week ago and have had it in QT. a few days ago stopped eating. There are white/faded spots but appear to be underneath not on the scales. Swimming mostly normal but mostly stays in place. No shaking etc. Not eating. I treated with prizapro just today. Any suggestions? Water is normal. 0 ammonia and nitrite

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Seems to be breathing fine. I will do a fw. Drip. No other fish in there
 
Here is some info on doing a FW dip in case you need it. Look at the bottom of the dip container for Neobenedenia flukes, they'll look like little grey scales.

Osmotic differential baths
Formalin is not the only irritant that can be used to dislodge parasites during a diagnostic bath. Osmotic differential baths (exposing a marine fish to freshwater, and vice versa) are also effective at loosening parasites. However, there is a greater possibility that the shape of the organism will be disrupted by osmotic pressure to such an extent that proper identification would be difficult. “Freshwater dips” are commonly used to dislodge parasites from the skin of marine fishes. To perform these dips, the fish is captured and placed in a dimly lit container of clean freshwater the same temperature as the aquarium system it came from. Do not use reverse osmosis or deionized water, as there is no buffer capacity and the pH can drop to low. Dechlorinated tap water is suitable unless it is very acidic. The dip container should be covered with a clear material so that the fish is kept from jumping out, yet can still be observed for overt signs of stress. Hold the fish in the freshwater for five minutes to seven minutes. If acute stress is seen, the dip may need to be terminated early. The idea is to dislodge the parasites, without unduly harming the fish. Many aquarists opt to use reverse osmosis water, and adjust the pH to match the aquarium, but this is simply not necessary if the pH of the freshwater is between 7.5 and 8.5. Some advocate to not aerate the water during the dip, but the water motion from air bubbles can help keep the fish active so that they can be better assessed for stress. Additionally, the air bubbles help dislodge some parasites during the dip process.

Some caveats:
1) Some fish will give extreme reactions to being dipped (hepatus tangs for example), as long as they were swimming well before the dip, it is best to ignore that behavior and continue for a full five minutes.
2) Moribund fish can be dipped, but understand that the acute stress from the dip may prove fatal. The dip water should still be checked for parasites in order to possibly help any remaining fish. Moribund would include any fish that was easy to capture or a fish with a respiration rate of 200+ BPM.
3) Choose the type of net wisely, some fish have spines that will become caught in the netting. Have a pair of scissors handy to cut the net if this happens.
4) Dropping a fish while moving it to and from the dip is common, take care. Some fish have venomous spines, so know that before trying to handle any fish.
5) Fish shaking their heads violently after capture is one cause of mechanical exophthalmos (popeye), so try to gently restrain them in the net while moving them.


Jay
 
I did a freshwater dip and he seems the same. I'll keep an eye on it and hope he gets better
 
I did a freshwater dip and he seems the same. I'll keep an eye on it and hope he gets better
If you didn't see any flukes drop off during the dip, AND no improvement is seen today, then we'll have to go for another diagnosis - let me know....

Jay
 
Right. No improvement.
So the next two options are bacterial or protozoan. Trouble is, they have two completely different treatments, and I can’t see from your picture which direction to go. You could try posting a clearer picture, or just choose which direction to go. Protozoans are most likely to cause rapid fish loss, and is a standard quarantine method, so you might consider that.....
Jay
 
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Would this medicine work?
 

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Would this medicine work?
Yes, that is a common copper medication - you’ll need a copper test kit and remember not to use any ammonia removing chemicals when dosing it.
Jay
 
Yes, that is a common copper medication - you’ll need a copper test kit and remember not to use any ammonia removing chemicals when dosing it.
Jay
Jay i tried cupramine with prazi and I dont see an improvement. Its been 3 days . Any other suggestions?
 

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The fish looks much worse. As I said earlier, there are two different directions to go...protozoan or bacterial (given that it sure looks like flukes, but you have ruled that out AND dosed with prazi). That means it could be bacterial. You don’t want to jump treatments though, so I say toss the kitchen sink at it and keep the copper going, but also dose with a gram negative broad spectrum antibiotic such as Neoplex. I presume the fish still isn’t eating?
Jay
 
The fish looks much worse. As I said earlier, there are two different directions to go...protozoan or bacterial (given that it sure looks like flukes, but you have ruled that out AND dosed with prazi). That means it could be bacterial. You don’t want to jump treatments though, so I say toss the kitchen sink at it and keep the copper going, but also dose with a gram negative broad spectrum antibiotic such as Neoplex. I presume the fish still isn’t eating?
Jay
You are correct. I will try that. Thanks.
 
You are correct. I will try that. Thanks.
Jay circling back to this issue. Still didn't solve the problem. I went back and bought these medications and added them. I did a water change. The fish seems lethargic but ok otherwise. Not improving. Any other medications you suggest? I appreciate your help
 

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Jay circling back to this issue. Still didn't solve the problem. I went back and bought these medications and added them. I did a water change. The fish seems lethargic but ok otherwise. Not improving. Any other medications you suggest? I appreciate your help
what happened to your fish at the end- any updates? I have a similar case and looking for help
 
what happened to your fish at the end- any updates? I have a similar case and looking for help
Welcome to Reef2Reef!
If you like, feel free to start your own problem post. Take a look at the link below my name here, or at the top of the fish disease section for advice on what info to post.
Jay
 

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