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I have found all kind of information on bagging and boxing up frags. What is missing for most of us that are learning is how you gauge temperature control of the corals. Lets get some advise on at what temperature you use one heat pack vs two, hole size of oxygen hole. I would say this is the holy grail in shipping. I had a buddy receive a shipment recently from a large vendor who put 2 heat packs in the cooler and the corals came in over 90 deg and all dead. So this must be something that needs to be covered. I think this would be a great topic to benefit many of us. So tell us how you gauge when to use a single heat pack, double pack, no pack, small air hole, larger air hole?
thanks
Jeff
 
The heat pack need to get activated. sometime people put it in the box right after they open it then they dont get hot. I pack with 1 heat pack and dont lose any corals unless fedex screw up the delivery. Another tip if u can drop off at the fedex shipping center its better than the local fedex sometime they forgot to ship your package.
 
I understand all that but at what temp do you not use heat? Is it ever cold enough that two packs are needed? Do you ever change the size of the air hole you put into the side of the cooler box? I’ve also wondered about cutting a heat pack in half for milder temperatures
Thanks
Jeff
 
I understand all that but at what temp do you not use heat? Is it ever cold enough that two packs are needed? Do you ever change the size of the air hole you put into the side of the cooler box? I’ve also wondered about cutting a heat pack in half for milder temperatures
Thanks
Jeff
I just poke 2 hole where i tape the heat pack. 2 pack is too hot even for cold weather. I make my own box so winter time i use thicker styrofoam.
 
I understand all that but at what temp do you not use heat? Is it ever cold enough that two packs are needed? Do you ever change the size of the air hole you put into the side of the cooler box? I’ve also wondered about cutting a heat pack in half for milder temperatures
Thanks
Jeff
Im from ca so if the weather is 65 or above no heat pack.
 
If I’m sending a large box (rare) I make 5 holes with a screwdriver in the pattern of a 5 side on a die.

If I’m shipping a small or medium size box
It’s 2 holes.

I actually almost never use a full heat pack. The one time I did that early on, the frags arrived at 92 degrees.

I typically will cut the heat pack open, dump out some of the grains, then fold and tape it shut again.

Either way it gets taped to the underside of the lid covered with a folded paper towel. I try to have at least a layer of packing peanuts insulating it from directly touching the bags, but sometimes if the box is full enough I can’t fit any of those in.

I check the hub overnight forecast and make my decision on whether to heat from that. At the hub they’ll be subject to the elements in the middle of the night. They’re typically at the hub from midnight to 4 am or so, so that is when I look. That when they’re outside in the cold and wind. At the destination they are mainly indoors and on trucks. They shouldn’t be on the recipients porch longer than a few minutes, so destination temps aren’t as much of a concern.

If the hub temps are below 70 degrees I’ll use a heat pack. The farther below, the more grains I keep in the pack. I won’t ship If hub temps will be under 40. If hub temps will be over 80 or 85 degrees, I’ll put a small ice pack in the box (literally just a coral frag bag with frozen water). The hotter it is, the bigger the ice.

You’re right. Temperature is the number one factor to success or failure in a shipment. Moreso than time. I’ve had a shipment get stuck for 3 days arrive alive and happy because temps were between 70-80 degrees the whole time.

I also try to tape odd every seam in the box and tape the styrofoam lid all the way around as well. Cold or hot air getting in is what will displace the mild temp air in the box and will impact the water itself.
 
If I’m sending a large box (rare) I make 5 holes with a screwdriver in the pattern of a 5 side on a die.

If I’m shipping a small or medium size box
It’s 2 holes.

I actually almost never use a full heat pack. The one time I did that early on, the frags arrived at 92 degrees.

I typically will cut the heat pack open, dump out some of the grains, then fold and tape it shut again.

Either way it gets taped to the underside of the lid covered with a folded paper towel. I try to have at least a layer of packing peanuts insulating it from directly touching the bags, but sometimes if the box is full enough I can’t fit any of those in.

I check the hub overnight forecast and make my decision on whether to heat from that. At the hub they’ll be subject to the elements in the middle of the night. They’re typically at the hub from midnight to 4 am or so, so that is when I look. That when they’re outside in the cold and wind. At the destination they are mainly indoors and on trucks. They shouldn’t be on the recipients porch longer than a few minutes, so destination temps aren’t as much of a concern.

If the hub temps are below 70 degrees I’ll use a heat pack. The farther below, the more grains I keep in the pack. I won’t ship If hub temps will be under 40. If hub temps will be over 80 or 85 degrees, I’ll put a small ice pack in the box (literally just a coral frag bag with frozen water). The hotter it is, the bigger the ice.

You’re right. Temperature is the number one factor to success or failure in a shipment. Moreso than time. I’ve had a shipment get stuck for 3 days arrive alive and happy because temps were between 70-80 degrees the whole time.

I also try to tape odd every seam in the box and tape the styrofoam lid all the way around as well. Cold or hot air getting in is what will displace the mild temp air in the box and will impact the water itself.
If you tape all the seams will it still get oxygen into the cooler to keep the heat pack working? I have a good friend who takes a syringe and punches it through the box and into the cooler to keep the pack working. I would assume a bigger hole or multiple holes will heat more? I tried the syringe a month ago with temps in the 30s and a full heat pack. My frags arrived in the mid to upper 60s but were in good shape. How do you determine what hub the shipment will be going through? I live in Ohio and figure most all will go to Indianapolis. I have alot of great frags to sell bet have been hesitant due to shipping.
thanks for the detailed post.
Jeff
 
If you tape all the seams will it still get oxygen into the cooler to keep the heat pack working? I have a good friend who takes a syringe and punches it through the box and into the cooler to keep the pack working. I would assume a bigger hole or multiple holes will heat more? I tried the syringe a month ago with temps in the 30s and a full heat pack. My frags arrived in the mid to upper 60s but were in good shape. How do you determine what hub the shipment will be going through? I live in Ohio and figure most all will go to Indianapolis. I have alot of great frags to sell bet have been hesitant due to shipping.
thanks for the detailed post.
Jeff

The idea is to tape off all the seams and allow no air to get through correct. That what the holes are for. Large enough holes allow for the fresh air outside to be in constant contact with the warmer which is taped up against them. I also like to have the heat pack open and warming up a good hour or so before even closing up the box.
 
It depends on the heat pack as well. I believe you want the longer lasting ones as they do not get as hot as the regular 12 hour heat packs.

Which do you like to gauge whether you need a heat pack for, your departing location or the arrival location? Like it could be 70-80 here but 50-60 where you are sending it
 
It depends on the heat pack as well. I believe you want the longer lasting ones as they do not get as hot as the regular 12 hour heat packs.

Which do you like to gauge whether you need a heat pack for, your departing location or the arrival location? Like it could be 70-80 here but 50-60 where you are sending it

Hub temperature is more important than either because at the hub is where it will spend 3-4 hours outside exposed to the elements. At the departing or arrival destination it spends most its time on vehicles or inside buildings
 
Who likes to ship with bags or sample cups? I have shipped twice and like to double bag but using the same size bags was a pain to get one bag into the other. A buddy received frags in cups which seemed nice but I have to wonder if there is enough water in the cups. What do you think?
thanks
Jeff
 
Who likes to ship with bags or sample cups? I have shipped twice and like to double bag but using the same size bags was a pain to get one bag into the other. A buddy received frags in cups which seemed nice but I have to wonder if there is enough water in the cups. What do you think?
thanks
Jeff

Cups are too expensive. Bags are easy to double or triple bag. Just do it before you add water. They slip in super easy.
 
I live in Maine and have ordered several thing over the winter. Most came with two heat pack, everything was alive and happy. Two came with only one heat pack and half were DOA. The ones that had two were vendors, the ones that had one were hobbies.
 

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