Full Steam Ahead 75 Gallon Build

Clueless Reefer · Jul 16, 2018

Looks really nice! You did a good job at removing a lot of the power strips outside of the cabinet which is good; long-term it might be good to use some extension cables to move the remaining power strip from out of there if you are able. I have a fire inspector friend here locally and he always mentions that there is a large percentage of electrical fires he has to respond to due to people having their power strips in the same compartment of the Sump.

siggy · Jul 16, 2018

Clueless Reefer said:
Looks really nice! You did a good job at removing a lot of the power strips outside of the cabinet which is good; long-term it might be good to use some extension cables to move the remaining power strip from out of there if you are able. I have a fire inspector friend here locally and he always mentions that there is a large percentage of electrical fires he has to respond to due to people having their power strips in the same compartment of the Sump.

Thanks for the tip, that makes a lot of sense with the salt spray or vapors. FYI a friends house burnt because of those plug in air fresheners

siggy · Jul 16, 2018

jsker said:
Your question
Do tell, Im having a problem with my point of sale @.36 and N is 0-2. lost all color in my sps until I got P up to .32 and still no nitrate.

Homework questions
The tank has been up about a year?
Just change out the light about 3 months ago?
Just setup a Ref in the sump
Nitrates are running low
Phosphates are running at .36 ?? over.1 is like way, way to high and you will have an algae farm growing.
What are you testing nutrients with??
What salt are you running??
Are you dosing??

By the way, great build.

Thanks. Well the tanks been running a little over a year and have learned that I didd'ent know much and like anything, The more you learn the dumber you become. The first thing I realized was Build the system (hardware) first because caring for it will take your available time and make installations a challenge. So let me get to it and I will share how I got there as we go. Right know I am dealing with nutrients High point of sale and no nitrates and my acros paled out, been testing almost every night.
Alk is 7.6 and and is using about .4-6 dkh daily hanna
point of sale is .32-.36 Hanna
Cal is always 500 and has been from the start using Red Sea, I just purchased Hanna

,,,and need to use that to double check.
Nitraits reads 0 on salifert (new) and 2 on a new Red Sea.
Algae has not been a Issue in this tank other than My Crabs rear end ;Hilarious;Hilarious;Hilarious Oh I do have some Macro algaes growing https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/i-have-these-growing-but-one-i-have-never-seen-any-help.413004/

jsker · Jul 16, 2018

siggy said:
point of sale is .32-.36 Hanna

Which checker are you using for phosphates A. HI713 B. HI717 or HI736 which is the best marine testing

Just an FYI for my post yesterday; Testing. I have been running a test with the Hanna checkers and why my measurement are sometimes off. My conclusion, do not reuse the tips, syringes because leftover reagent is in the tips and dries inside the tips between test, clean the calcium test piperator tip with ro/di before pulling a sample same as the reagent tips, drying a evaporation and dry will throw of the testing. Better yet source new pipeartor tips and toss them after each test. Tips are $13.00 (Don I got it right

) for 1000. As far as 1ml/cc syringes 6.95 per 100.

Before cleaning my tips especially the calcium pipette tip, I was always testing 496 to over 500 consistently. Same with the Alk, I was testing low, until I would retest and my reading will come up to near normal.

siggy said:
Alk is 7.6 and and is using about .4-6 dkh daily hanna

I run my Alk at 8.4 to 8.5 I would suggest bumping up your Alk to 7.8 to 8.0 slowly and keep it there by dosing

siggy said:
Nitraits reads 0 on salifert (new) and 2 on a new Red Sea.

You will find that I am not a fan of either tests, Red Sea is one of the best nitrate tests and I would trust the Red Sea over the other. Feed, Feed, Feed frozen with some reef nutrition Oyster Feast, Roti Feast, and R.O.E. your corals will love you for it, and you nitrates will come up.

siggy · Jul 16, 2018

jsker said:
Which checker are you using for phosphates A. HI713 B. HI717 or HI736 which is the best marine testing

Its not the ULR. . At one point I had 0 P and N and everything went pale, I shut off the light, pulled most of the chaeto cleaned the fuge of lettice and I fed oyster feast and roe MIXED every other along with frozen mysiss or brine daily to raise things, N is impossible to raise unless I want phos to go up. Once Phos rose to .32 I started to regain GOOD color and over shot to .64 still N is 2. I am actually thinking of pulling the marine pure (1.5 gallon) spheres out of the overflow and letting the fuge handle export. I also purchased Brightwells Neo-Nitro to feed N but was looking for some advice before starting that regimen. ....I rinse everything after use with tap water..

......OK i will get some of those expensive tips

jsker · Jul 16, 2018

siggy said:
Its not the ULR. . At one point I had 0 P and N and everything went pale, I shut off the light, pulled most of the chaeto cleaned the fuge of lettice and I fed oyster feast and roe MIXED every other along with frozen mysiss or brine daily to raise things, N is impossible to raise unless I want phos to go up. Once Phos rose to .32 I started to regain GOOD color and over shot to .64 still N is 2. I am actually thinking of pulling the marine pure (1.5 gallon) spheres out of the overflow and letting the fuge handle export. I also purchased Brightwells Neo-Nitro to feed N but was looking for some advice before starting that regimen. ....I rinse everything after use with tap water........OK i will get some of those expensive tips

How the Milwaukee??

For the longest time I was battling Phosphates and low nitrates in my first year. I dosed Lanthanum Chloride and seemed to bring down the phosphates and the phosphates stayed down pretty much now. When I get a spike I dose. I use agent green, works well.

I do not rinse food, that just gets rid of all the good stuff for your corals and fish. Especially with tap water, that is just adding tds and chlorine or chloramine to the mix even though it is very slight.

That would be a good idea to pull the marine pure since you have the fuge Randy suggested to dose urea in a thread link when a member had issue with low nitrates. I was thinking about doing this but then my nitrates rose and then I started the seed bio media in my sump to keep the nitrates down. My suggestion with to pull the marine pure and let the nitrates rise by themselves

Nice beaker, I ordered extra cuvettes link and wash my cuvettes in the dishwasher. I rinse the cuvettes with Ro/Di before I test. Got these to help with the rinsing and calcium test link

I am glad in not the only that test with beverages

NY_Caveman · Jul 16, 2018

siggy said:
Its not the ULR. . At one point I had 0 P and N and everything went pale, I shut off the light, pulled most of the chaeto cleaned the fuge of lettice and I fed oyster feast and roe MIXED every other along with frozen mysiss or brine daily to raise things, N is impossible to raise unless I want phos to go up. Once Phos rose to .32 I started to regain GOOD color and over shot to .64 still N is 2. I am actually thinking of pulling the marine pure (1.5 gallon) spheres out of the overflow and letting the fuge handle export. I also purchased Brightwells Neo-Nitro to feed N but was looking for some advice before starting that regimen. ....I rinse everything after use with tap water........OK i will get some of those expensive tips

That picture looks so familiar to me. The sandals in the background, the IPA amidst the test kits, the towel in the center. Love to see fellow reefers doing things like I do things!

jsker · Jul 16, 2018

NY_Caveman said:
That picture looks so familiar to me. The sandals in the background, the IPA amidst the test kits, the towel in the center. Love to see fellow reefers doing things like I do things!

I got one of these so that my test solution will not ruin my desk, after one of the reagents ate hole in some of my towels link

I will have you up to jsker lab spec's soon enough

NY_Caveman · Jul 16, 2018

jsker said:
I got one of these so that my test solution will not ruin my desk, after one of the reagents ate hole in some of my towels link

I will have you up to jsker lab spec's soon enough

Nice! My wife actually has some of those. She is about to have one less (shhhhh!)

jsker · Jul 16, 2018

NY_Caveman said:
Nice! My wife actually has some of those. She is about to have one less (shhhhh!)

Where

siggy · Jul 16, 2018

I actually bought some of that lath chloride after seeing it on your thread after i seen my Triton report, this version is not as easy to read I will try to post the bar graph tomorrow. Ill do a full reg of testing tonight.

I finally received my results and see a few things that need to be addressed. the Aluminum I was expecting due to 1.5 gal marine pure spheres in the tank but TIN?
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Unwanted heavy metals (85 Gallons)
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation Warning lamp
Hg 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Se 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Cd 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Sn 2.397 µg/l 0,1 µg/l 2.30
▲
Sb 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
As 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Al 60 µg/l 2 µg/l 58.00
▲
Pb 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Ti 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Cu 2.712 µg/l 0.1 µg/l 2.61
▲
La 0 µg/l 0.1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Sc 0 µg/l 0.1 µg/l -0.10
▲
W 0 µg/l 0.1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Macro-Elements (85 Gallons)
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation Warning lamp
Na 10764 mg/l 10700 mg/l 64.00
▲
Ca 511 mg/l 440 mg/l 71.00
▲
Mg 1441 mg/l 1370 mg/l 71.00
▲
K 388 mg/l 400 mg/l -12.00
▲
Br 53 mg/l 62 mg/l -9.00
▲
B 3.819 mg/l 4,5 mg/l -0.68
▲
Sr 7.382 mg/l 8 mg/l -0.62
▲
S 915 mg/l 900 mg/l 15.00
▲
Li-Group (85 Gallons)
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation Warning lamp
Li 251 µg/l 200 µg/l 51.00
▲
Ni 0 µg/l 5 µg/l -5.00
▲
Mo 8.274 µg/l 12 µg/l -3.73
▲
I-Group (85 Gallons)
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation Warning lamp
V 3.554 µg/l 1,2 µg/l 2.35
▲
Zn 0 µg/l 4 µg/l -4.00
▲
Mn 0 µg/l 2 µg/l -2.00
▲
I 18 µg/l 60 µg/l -42.00
▲
Fe-Group (85 Gallons)
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation Warning lamp
Cr 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Co 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Fe 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Ba-Group (85 Gallons)
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation Warning lamp
Ba 12 µg/l 10 µg/l 2.00
▲
Be 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Si-Group (85 Gallons)
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation Warning lamp
Si 159 µg/l 100 µg/l 59.00
▲
Nutrient-Group (85 Gallons)
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation Warning lamp
P 147 µg/l 6 µg/l 141.00
▲
PO4 0.44982 mg/l 0.01836 mg/l 0.432
▲

jsker · Jul 16, 2018

siggy said:
I actually bought some of that lath chloride after seeing it on your thread after i seen my Triton report, this version is not as easy to read I will try to post the bar graph tomorrow. Ill do a full reg of testing tonight.

I finally received my results and see a few things that need to be addressed. the Aluminum I was expecting due to 1.5 gal marine pure spheres in the tank but TIN?
You are here:
Single View for Evaluation ICP-OES
Share your analysis

Unwanted heavy metals (85 Gallons)
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation Warning lamp
Hg 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Se 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Cd 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Sn 2.397 µg/l 0,1 µg/l 2.30
▲
Sb 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
As 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Al 60 µg/l 2 µg/l 58.00
▲
Pb 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Ti 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Cu 2.712 µg/l 0.1 µg/l 2.61
▲
La 0 µg/l 0.1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Sc 0 µg/l 0.1 µg/l -0.10
▲
W 0 µg/l 0.1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Macro-Elements (85 Gallons)
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation Warning lamp
Na 10764 mg/l 10700 mg/l 64.00
▲
Ca 511 mg/l 440 mg/l 71.00
▲
Mg 1441 mg/l 1370 mg/l 71.00
▲
K 388 mg/l 400 mg/l -12.00
▲
Br 53 mg/l 62 mg/l -9.00
▲
B 3.819 mg/l 4,5 mg/l -0.68
▲
Sr 7.382 mg/l 8 mg/l -0.62
▲
S 915 mg/l 900 mg/l 15.00
▲
Li-Group (85 Gallons)
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation Warning lamp
Li 251 µg/l 200 µg/l 51.00
▲
Ni 0 µg/l 5 µg/l -5.00
▲
Mo 8.274 µg/l 12 µg/l -3.73
▲
I-Group (85 Gallons)
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation Warning lamp
V 3.554 µg/l 1,2 µg/l 2.35
▲
Zn 0 µg/l 4 µg/l -4.00
▲
Mn 0 µg/l 2 µg/l -2.00
▲
I 18 µg/l 60 µg/l -42.00
▲
Fe-Group (85 Gallons)
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation Warning lamp
Cr 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Co 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Fe 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Ba-Group (85 Gallons)
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation Warning lamp
Ba 12 µg/l 10 µg/l 2.00
▲
Be 0 µg/l 0,1 µg/l -0.10
▲
Si-Group (85 Gallons)
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation Warning lamp
Si 159 µg/l 100 µg/l 59.00
▲
Nutrient-Group (85 Gallons)
Element Analysis Setpoint Deviation Warning lamp
P 147 µg/l 6 µg/l 141.00
▲
PO4 0.44982 mg/l 0.01836 mg/l 0.432
▲

Graph will be good

siggy · Jul 16, 2018

Just did a full spread in my wife's description
Alk 7.9
Cal 450
Mag1450
Phos .52 hanna
Phos .12 red sea
Nitrates 000 redsea and salafert

jsker · Jul 16, 2018

siggy said:
Just did a full spread in my wife's description
Alk 7.9
Cal 450
Mag1450
Phos .52 hanna
Phos .12 red sea
Nitrates 000 redsea and salafert

Was the marine put pulled yet? it will take a week or so to see a change.
Just thinking, the phosphate reading are way off and not close to each other.
Everything else looks good, like perfect.

siggy · Jul 17, 2018

Nitrate is a concern I dosed 10 ml nitrate per directions and with fudge light 24/7 I hope to see things stable. One of my clowns is in the overflow so after trying to get him out i just left it alone and will get the MP tonight. those phosphate test are troubling I thought it was op error so i redid red sea again BTW the RS test kit is a PITA. the pic is the high range 17ml tank water.

siggy · Jul 17, 2018

jsker · Jul 17, 2018

siggy said:
Nitrate is a concern I dosed 10 ml nitrate per directions and with fudge light 24/7 I hope to see things stable. One of my clowns is in the overflow so after trying to get him out i just left it alone and will get the MP tonight. those phosphate test are troubling I thought it was op error so i redid red sea again BTW the RS test kit is a PITA. the pic is the high range 17ml tank water.

Red sea change the color from red to blue. Did not know.

Have you tried dosing the Agent Green/Lanthanum Chloride?

najer · Jul 17, 2018

As above, mp out, you have to just leave the fuge to it at some point!

siggy · Jul 17, 2018

jsker said:
Red sea change the color from red to blue. Did not know.

My bad....that was the phos test showing .12 phos the pink test is nitrates and that was clear, no color.
As far as the Hanna tester i an going to change battery and test. I guess i could grab a calibration set. I wonder if @Hanna Instruments would verify or calibrate the checker. BTW half hour after dosing no3 my hammers perked right up. I believe this is what you use? and I wanted to get no3 in first and see if I can get a handle first, also the directions state to watch both no3 to rise and po4 to fall.
EDIT now I can see it says Instant;Wideyed should I just dose and not sweat it

jsker · Jul 17, 2018

siggy said:
My bad....that was the phos test showing .12 phos the pink test is nitrates and that was clear, no color.
As far as the Hanna tester i an going to change battery and test. I guess i could grab a calibration set. I wonder if @Hanna Instruments would verify or calibrate the checker. BTW half hour after dosing no3 my hammers perked right up. I believe this is what you use? and I wanted to get no3 in first and see if I can get a handle first, also the directions state to watch both no3 to rise and po4 to fall.