G1/G2 MP40 driver is dying, can I replace with QD upgrade driver?

Coral Euphoria · Sep 3, 2020

Hi,

My very old MP40 driver is done for. Not sure what generation it is, but I included a picture. Can I replace it with the QD drivers? In other words, hook up my old dryside to this driver?

The driver I want to use:

VorTech MP40wQD Driver

VorTech MP40wQD Driver Controllability - 6+ available operational modes including Auto-Tune, Feed Mode, and Night Mode Quiet - Up to 90% less motor noise Compatibility - Wireless models communicate with existing WWD and wireless EcoSmart pumps, and are fully compatible with EcoSmart Live via...

www.marinedepot.com

Thanks

Sisterlimonpot · Sep 3, 2020

~~There have been dramatic changes to the old generation dryside to the older WES model (white driver). Unfortunately you're going to have to replace the entire pump.~~

Sisterlimonpot · Sep 3, 2020

I stand corrected, take a look at this website. It appears that you can upgrade it, but you'll also have to include a power supply because the new 40s run 32v ps.

http://ecotechmarine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/VorTech_Upgrade.pdf

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Coral Euphoria · Sep 3, 2020

Ah ok, I see now how this chart is relevant to my situation. It's because on my pump, actually an mp40w, the dry side is the same as the MP40wES.

Thanks for your help!

Robinson · Sep 3, 2020

Is not necessary to upgrade the power supply, as the MP40ES or MP40WES are all 24VDC. As long your power supply is 24VDC you should be fine. When you look at the table or even on the description of the QD upgrade, they let you know what kind of upgrade you can do but they never mention about that a new 32VDC power supply is required.

Now if you want to take a full advantage of the QD driver + QD Drive Side + QD Wet side, then getting a 32VDC is the most logical step.

I did upgrade an WES to QD and is working perfectly fine with a 24VDC power supply, is not pushing 4500 GPH but still move a lot of water for my use.

dadnjesse · Sep 12, 2020

Sisterlimonpot said:
I stand corrected, take a look at this website. It appears that you can upgrade it, but you'll also have to include a power supply because the new 40s run 32v ps.

http://ecotechmarine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/VorTech_Upgrade.pdf

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So what happens if you mix the two up? I have 4 MP40's and one has the 24 volts. Until now I never realized they had different volts.

Sisterlimonpot · Sep 12, 2020

Are you asking if you interchange 32v with 24v power supplies?

If so, it's not going to hurt the driver, the only thing you lose out on is performance. The ones powered by 24v just won't reach predicted speeds.

dadnjesse · Sep 12, 2020

Sisterlimonpot said:
Are you asking if you interchange 32v with 24v power supplies?

If so, it's not going to hurt the driver, the only thing you lose out on is performance. The ones powered by 24v just won't reach predicted speeds.

What if I put a 32v on the 24 volt driver? I actually have 6 MP40's they all look the same but one has a 24 volt power supply.

Sisterlimonpot · Sep 12, 2020

Are we talking black drivers or white drivers?

The black quiet drive will accommodate 24-32v regardless if it was an upgrade or not. New or old dryside the only difference will be the peak power delivered.

dadnjesse · Sep 12, 2020

I think I upgraded the old White MP40W to the new Quiet Drive. Thats why it has the 24 volts but now I don't remember which one it was.

Sisterlimonpot · Sep 12, 2020

That's sort of what I was getting from your question. The drivers are the same, so it doesn't make a difference which one has 24v applied to it.

Although, perhaps this will help identify which one was upgraded. When I got my WES drivers upgrades the one thing that stood out was that the new QD driver upgrade did NOT have a serial number associated with it, while all the QD vortechs that were purchased had a serial number sticker... perhaps you can identify the upgraded one that way.

dadnjesse · Sep 12, 2020

I used a heat gun and removed the old serial sticker and put on the new one. I didn't want to not have the serial number.

ca1ore · Sep 24, 2020

Impressive that the old dryside still works. I finally retired my last one in 2019 ..... 2011 date on it if memory serves.

Ccarcher · Mar 3, 2021

Coral Euphoria said:
Hi,

My very old MP40 driver is done for. Not sure what generation it is, but I included a picture. Can I replace it with the QD drivers? In other words, hook up my old dryside to this driver?

The driver I want to use:

VorTech MP40wQD Driver

VorTech MP40wQD Driver Controllability - 6+ available operational modes including Auto-Tune, Feed Mode, and Night Mode Quiet - Up to 90% less motor noise Compatibility - Wireless models communicate with existing WWD and wireless EcoSmart pumps, and are fully compatible with EcoSmart Live via...

www.marinedepot.com

Thanks

Hi did you ever proceed with thisim in a similar position have same MP40w and driver and had to replace wetside today for mp40wqd but didn't realise it won't work with existing driver. Just want to confirm I can upgrade straight to QD driver I think with the additional RF chip being required

Coral Euphoria · Mar 3, 2021

the QD wetside should work just fine with old MP40w, if the driver and dry side are working. I was using the QD wetside for a while with the old driver and dryside before the driver finally died.

But to answer your question, yes the QD works just fine with the the MP40w dry side.

Ccarcher · Mar 4, 2021

Thanks for the update
I just went to buy the quick drive upgrade and found it didn't come with a case which was a bit of a surprise, apparently this is how they are now shipped according to the retailer, seems a bit odd.

This causes me a 2nd problem as I only have the original wwd driver white square case and therefore not a suitable control for the newer driver

So left it for now and looking to find an alterny supplier

Did your upgrades come with the case?

Coral Euphoria said:
Hi,

My very old MP40 driver is done for. Not sure what generation it is, but I included a picture. Can I replace it with the QD drivers? In other words, hook up my old dryside to this driver?

The driver I want to use:

VorTech MP40wQD Driver

VorTech MP40wQD Driver Controllability - 6+ available operational modes including Auto-Tune, Feed Mode, and Night Mode Quiet - Up to 90% less motor noise Compatibility - Wireless models communicate with existing WWD and wireless EcoSmart pumps, and are fully compatible with EcoSmart Live via...

www.marinedepot.com

Thanks

Hi did you ever proceed with this im in a similar position have same MP40w and driver and had to replace wetside today for mp40wqd but didn't realise it won't work with existing driver. Just want to confirm I can upgrade straight to QD driver I think with the additional RF chip being required

Coral Euphoria said:
the QD wetside should work just fine with old MP40w, if the driver and dry side are working. I was using the QD wetside for a while with the old driver and dryside before the driver finally died.

But to answer your question, yes the QD works just fine with the the MP40w dry side.

Coral Euphoria · Mar 5, 2021

Ccarcher said:
Thanks for the update
I just went to buy the quick drive upgrade and found it didn't come with a case which was a bit of a surprise, apparently this is how they are now shipped according to the retailer, seems a bit odd.

This causes me a 2nd problem as I only have the original wwd driver white square case and therefore not a suitable control for the newer driver

So left it for now and looking to find an alterny supplier

Did your upgrades come with the case?

Hi did you ever proceed with this im in a similar position have same MP40w and driver and had to replace wetside today for mp40wqd but didn't realise it won't work with existing driver. Just want to confirm I can upgrade straight to QD driver I think with the additional RF chip being required

Yeah mine came with a case. Bought it online though, from Marine Depot I believe.

Coral Euphoria · Mar 5, 2021

Ccarcher said:
Thanks for the update
I just went to buy the quick drive upgrade and found it didn't come with a case which was a bit of a surprise, apparently this is how they are now shipped according to the retailer, seems a bit odd.

This causes me a 2nd problem as I only have the original wwd driver white square case and therefore not a suitable control for the newer driver

So left it for now and looking to find an alterny supplier

Did your upgrades come with the case?

Hi did you ever proceed with this im in a similar position have same MP40w and driver and had to replace wetside today for mp40wqd but didn't realise it won't work with existing driver. Just want to confirm I can upgrade straight to QD driver I think with the additional RF chip being required

MP40wES - MP40wQD Upgrade

MP40QD controller board and controller casing included RF Module not included EcoSmart Live compatible firmware loaded Mobius upgradable via black RF Module Upgrade for MP40wES controllers

store2.ecotechmarine.com

Shark~bait · Dec 30, 2021

Coral Euphoria said:
Hi,

My very old MP40 driver is done for. Not sure what generation it is, but I included a picture. Can I replace it with the QD drivers? In other words, hook up my old dryside to this driver?

The driver I want to use:

VorTech MP40wQD Driver

VorTech MP40wQD Driver Controllability - 6+ available operational modes including Auto-Tune, Feed Mode, and Night Mode Quiet - Up to 90% less motor noise Compatibility - Wireless models communicate with existing WWD and wireless EcoSmart pumps, and are fully compatible with EcoSmart Live via...

www.marinedepot.com

Thanks

Hi was the upgrade quote simple to do?, I’m in the same position now but not sure how to to the switch to the new driver