Getting the sand bed clean - suggestions

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160 gallon reef tank has been up and running for a year. Due to the flow in the tank, over this time the sand has shifted around a bit and larger pieces have worked their way to the top. Now those bits of sand rubble (2-3 mm) are encrusted with green coralline algae and most of my sand bed on the surface is no longer white. I'm looking for suggestions on what to do. My possible plans include...
1) use a course net and take the larger bits out
2) manually mix the top 1/2 inch of sand
3) add some sand sitters/stirrers to my CUC like Florida fighting conchs

Anyone with thoughts on those options or any other suggestions please chime in.
 
160 gallon reef tank has been up and running for a year. Due to the flow in the tank, over this time the sand has shifted around a bit and larger pieces have worked their way to the top. Now those bits of sand rubble (2-3 mm) are encrusted with green coralline algae and most of my sand bed on the surface is no longer white. I'm looking for suggestions on what to do. My possible plans include...
1) use a course net and take the larger bits out
2) manually mix the top 1/2 inch of sand
3) add some sand sitters/stirrers to my CUC like Florida fighting conchs

Anyone with thoughts on those options or any other suggestions please chime in.
Slower the process the better. Split your sandbed tank into 3rds or 4ths. Start with vacuuming 1/3 or 1/4th the bed per week. Make sure that each part you vacuum, you get as much nasty out as possible. Sometime messing with the sandbed can release all kinds of bad toxins. Also make sure you are running carbon and have some water made up for a small water change.
After you get each portion vacuumed, you can go back to thirds and scoop out some of the sandbed and clean with h202. I think @brandon429 can better explain the h202 process from here.

Good luck. It is possible :)
 
I couldn't see stirring up some of the top layer if that's not already been a care method used to keep it free of detritus

Seems like it would cloud too much

From options given in my opinion I would first test nutrient retention in the bed...any disturbing will make that rare up temporarily so we want to know liabilities

Choose a remote area and lightly insert a siphon tube down most of the way and take out a crud sample

Test it for ammonia nitrate

If not markedly different than top water, lift out upper areas, blast them with peroxide and hot water and put back cleaned

If it is markedly different you need to either proceed in small areas with caution or do the big job and make that sandbed not a liability

http://reef2reef.com/threads/the-of...ead-aka-one-against-many.230281/#post-2681445


True hands off sandbeds are very hard to run when they are in the same tank as the rocks and the display animals, it's the remote ones that do better truly hands off
 
To be honest, I'd rather not have the larger sand bits at all. I'd prefer to just have the sugar size stuff 1mm or less.
What if I did my option one from above and just discard the sand? I'd literally only be removing about a 1/4" of sand.
There isn't any detritus or muk on the sand, I have a pretty substantial CUC. It's really just the coralline algae on the large pieces I want to get rid of.
 
Yep that can work.

The step down removal increments that people do to let bacteria adjust are not required, that's a harmless safety hedge aquarists invented but it's not factoring the bacteria left on the rocks and other surfaces which can still digest a few ppm in 24 hours like any tank would that's cycled.

Your danger is surprise rot or detritus exposed to sensitives


None of that filth exists in my tank that's for sure. I can flip my reef like a pancake on demand and often make threads of it.


Sandbed bac are incidental not deal breakers for nitrification

Agreed that to avoid ammonia liberation (if applicable/na for clean tanks like mine and yours, my six inch sb will pass a drop test) incremental removal is safe but only if the keeper has a reason for not doing all at once, our whole thread is built on all at once deliberate action.

Bare bottom keepers have their live rock as the basis of their filtration not because all of a sudden fifty new layers of nitrifers built up to cover loss of the sandbed

-not microbiology-

It's that the already colonized active surface area of the live rock beforehand was vastly beyond the minimum requirements of the tank, no extra was needed, then we compounded the heck out if it further by adding high surface area sand, which we then removed and are still left with excess active surface area. They could then remove half their live rock and the system will still run the original bio load, from the sandbed condition and ramp time is not needed

The leftover surfaces do not take on extra layers galore of the same masses of bacteria

They were already sufficient and continue based on surface area available, the bac don't just setup and move to the leftover rocks, competitions exist to stop that in real microbiology. How low each tank can go on active surface area values varies but I bet any tank here can run on 1/3 of the current rocks alone and be fine.


if you can be positive that not rot will be kicked up, what you do to the bed does not matter. Rip it all, rip a third, put a new, put a partial, all incidental and in that means you are free to act safely



Very soon I will take my reef apart, wash the whole sandbed in peroxide and scalding tap water, then cool saltwater final rinse, then reassemble it all within 20 mins like new, and go ahead and opt out of the recycle. What's more offensive to sandbed rules than that heh
 
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