Gilroy 425g Build Thread (All Apex, all the time)

Oh, and something else came today. I will reveal more later, but for now I was just testing it out... just a teaser image for now. Care to guess anyone?

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Soooo what is it?!?! :D
 
I love that this is my thread and I get to tease you guys all I want! So with that, I must apologize ahead of time for that and say that this is not a Neptune Systems announcement. :)

Instead what I did yesterday was put in place a pump on my tank that was sent in for Apex Ready testing. It completely blew me away. Some of you have for surely heard of it, others have seen it in action, and many have thought - meh, its a pump, why should a pump cost that much?

What I am talking about is the Abyzz A400 pump. Real photos will soon follow later today, but I wanted to at least let you all off the hook and give you the info.

So, let me tell you my experience.

Once I received the pump, I was wondering how I was going to hook it up - it has metric slip fittings and comes with some adapter rings. So I bought all these pieces at Home Depot and came home. They all turned out to be unnecessary.

As you know I have a internal (submerged) application (mainly to keep the heat from the pump) that is has been running a RD230 for about 8 months - and doing an amazing job really. I turned off the RD and took off the adapter segment of pipe I have (basically a 300mm segment of 1.5” pipe that has a union on one end and the RD union fitting on the other.) I then took the adapter segment and behold, the union internal diameter fit exactly over the output of the A400 and rested on the ridge - 40mm diameter exactly I guess - not a sealed fit, but good . Just for giggles I put the pump in the sump with piece and it was the exact same height as the red dragon. Perfect fit. If they did not intentionally design it this way (the same vertical offset as the RD) it was an awesome lucky coincidence. The plumbing put enough downward force that the pipe and pump was not going anywhere. Would it be a perfect seal - no - but this was internal anyways - so what if there was an super-tiny loss.

Now I went to turn it on. I have 80' meters of 2” of flex PVC plumbing under the house and about 15' of vertical head - altogether about 16' of head pressure when you include the pipe distance. I have a 2” clear check valve right above the pump so I do not lose all that water on pump power down.

So I turned on the pump and at about 50% it finally opened the check valve against all the head pressure. At 70% I ran upstairs and could not believe the flow. Somewhere around 2x the RD by my estimation - the RD flowed a nice gentle flow - but this was a power stream. At 75% I went upstairs again - crazy. At 80% I went upstairs and said “OK, we are now above the level of safe” in terms of the ability to gravity drain the flow. So I went downstairs, quickly threw on a Kill-a-watt and the pump was doing 250W. WOW! Amazing. Well over double the flow of the RD at nearly the same wattage. So I backed off the pump to 72% and it is flowing about twice as hard as the RD at 200W at the wall (180 on the A400 display). Amazing my friend. Wow.

Now there are people in the business I associate with that think this pump is just far too expensive. What is the justification they say. I thought the same thing, frankly. Until now. If someone has a two floor situation with a tank over 300g they are already spending $15-30K. This should be a no brainer. This is especially true in areas like mine where the cost of power is about $0.28 per kWh. I did the math and just the difference between the A400 and the RD is about $144 a year. Not much but still a savings. However, if you needed the flow of one of those external pressure pumps that usually draw 450W, you would easily be saving $500-$600 a year…not to mention the reduced carbon footprint!

I know this pump is way out of the price range of most, but if you don't mind paying for super high quality (and a lifetime warranty) and want this kind of power efficiency, I doubt anything on the market will touch it.

For those that are wondering why I would talk so highly of this product when we currently have our own pump in the works, this is a pump in a completely different class and for a totally different market than we are aiming for with the COR.

Later this week I will start testing it with the 0-10V control on my Apex.
 
Understand that this is an experiment. I am not yet advocating using the DŌS for this purpose. This configuration results in effectively 40ml/min of effluent put into the tank. Because of duty cycle and the pump speed, it really can never exceed 83ml/min. Because of this, and due to it being a large tank, there may come a time when my tank demand will exceed the capability.

So far though this method has worked awesome.

One additional caveat is running any peristaltic pump at this speed is considerably noisier than running one at 10ml/min. For me it is no big deal as it is in a separate room under the house.

What if you ran the lines from both pumps on the DOS and had them alternate back and forth? Would that cut the duty cycle? or is the duty cycle considered the whole DOS itself
 
What if you ran the lines from both pumps on the DOS and had them alternate back and forth? Would that cut the duty cycle? or is the duty cycle considered the whole DOS itself

Brilliant - simple answer staring me right in the face. Just tee them together. Since they are peristaltic, there is no need for a check valve. Just have them alternate and you have 2/3 duty instead of 1/3. That means up to 16oml/minute - more than enough. Granted it may be more than a lot of people want to spend on a feed pump (though we just dropped the price last quarter by $50), but the ability to adjust the flow rate from your sofa sure is nice - and combined with the graphing - awesome!
 
Im in the middle of a 400g DT 800g system volume build myself right now. So I am exploring all these details myself. I am loving this thread so far. I am an avid Apex fan too. I just installed the Genesis Renew automatic water change system and it is set right now to change out 10 gallons per day automatically. I am setting up the MRC triple chamber CR this week and I think the DOS will be perfect for metering the effluent, thanks for that idea
 
That's funny, Never heard anything but bad about deltec. Bad customer service, and bad pumps. Too bad you couldn't return it.

Talk to Bill Wann and have him build you one. Aquarium Engineering is the name of his company. Whatever he builds is top notch!

Can't believe you are making us wait this long to tell us what lights your running. I'm thinking it's something from Europe, or some fancy new custom apex light. Give us some hints.

And when is that FMM coming?? Been waiting so impatiently. ;)
 
My question about the FFM is how expensive will they be? I've already been looking at flow meters for my build and they are expensive. Around $400 per a 1.5" line flow meter. They can be interfaced to your computer too
 
Guys, at some point there will be an FMM. It will be on this build for sure. Until then, let's keep this thread as much as we can about my build. There are plenty of other threads on the FMM that I am plenty aware of - trust me , I get it ;)
 
Awesome build ! Thanks for the info on the abyzz pump! I recently have been thinking of switching out my reef flo pumps cause they buzz too much for me... I plan to move to the Vectra l1 for the price point, and I like Eco tech... I could get 3 of the Eco techs. Was curious how much noise the abyzz put out as well? I seen they flow a ton so was curious , not a lot at ppl have them. Also...

Which pump did u put on your calcium reactor cause I was thinking of switching mine out too... I have a geo 624 not sure if the pic u posted was of that model.... Well I hope I didn't jack your thread.... U can pm me the answer if u like... Thank you !
 

IF YOU HAD TO TAKE A REEFING EXAM, WOULD YOU PASS?

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  • Not yet, but I have one that I want to buy in mind!

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