Gyre input requested - Maxspect XF330 & IceCap 4K

[Idoc]

I am considering changing my Tunze powerheads in my 75g tank over to either a Maxspect XF330 or the new IceCap 4K Gyre.

I may or may not want to hook these up to my GHL P4 controller eventually...but that always seems a hassle to me to get the cords correct, etc... lol.

I would like to be able to program these to go into a less gph night mode, etc... without having to adjust it manually every night. Does anyone have these and does it do this?

Any other insight would be appreciated since I am back and forth on which to get. It appears that if you only run one pump, IceCap is good, but if you want to upgrade to two and sinc them, then Maxspect is preferred? Or, am I way off on my thinking??

 

[Kyl]

I don't believe the icecap modules work on the 3x0 series, but can't say for sure. If they do, you can control them via 0-10v directly with stream groups via Profilux, but the modules are expensive and required for each gyre. You basically have three options to drive the gyres and do part / all of what you want.

Native Maxspect controller can run two identical gyre models, has support for programming different flow modes and times (night time calm, etc) and runs both pumps off a single power brick. It can gain wifi phone app support via the ICV6 control hub for basic control programming.

Icecap gyres: Forthcoming Icecap controller, can run two of any Icecap branded gyres at once (can mix models 1k - 4k), is supposed to have an input 0-10v port that your controller can send a signal to initiate feed modes, maintenance modes, etc. Also runs both pumps off a single power brick and has a phone app for programming.

All gyres: Coralvue's Hydros wave engine: Can run up to four gyres of any model together from XF130 to XF350, Icecap 1k - 4k, has a phone app for programming, also has an input 0-10v port to initiate "feed" "maintenance" modes from your Profilux. Has the ability to run all four gyres off a single power brick, and ability to expand to controlling other 0-10v devices as well.

If you ever want to control the gyres in some manner with the Profilux, the Icecap / Coralvue options with the 0-10v input to initiate specific operating modes will be the only way. That means you will still do the flow programming external to the P4 via the phone apps. There won't be any stream group usage either way. The ICV6 option from Maxspect was supposed to have IOTa support for the 2016 series Apex by now, but yeah, that's seemingly dead in the water and doesn't apply anyway since you're on Profilux.

 

[Idoc]

I don't believe the icecap modules work on the 3x0 series, but can't say for sure. If they do, you can control them via 0-10v directly with stream groups via Profilux, but the modules are expensive and required for each gyre. You basically have three options to drive the gyres and do part / all of what you want.

Native Maxspect controller can run two identical gyre models, has support for programming different flow modes and times (night time calm, etc) and runs both pumps off a single power brick. It can gain wifi phone app support via the ICV6 control hub for basic control programming.

Icecap gyres: Forthcoming Icecap controller, can run two of any Icecap branded gyres at once (can mix models 1k - 4k), is supposed to have an input 0-10v port that your controller can send a signal to initiate feed modes, maintenance modes, etc. Also runs both pumps off a single power brick and has a phone app for programming.

All gyres: Coralvue's Hydros wave engine: Can run up to four gyres of any model together from XF130 to XF350, Icecap 1k - 4k, has a phone app for programming, also has an input 0-10v port to initiate "feed" "maintenance" modes from your Profilux. Has the ability to run all four gyres off a single power brick, and ability to expand to controlling other 0-10v devices as well.

If you ever want to control the gyres in some manner with the Profilux, the Icecap / Coralvue options with the 0-10v input to initiate specific operating modes will be the only way. That means you will still do the flow programming external to the P4 via the phone apps. There won't be any stream group usage either way. The ICV6 option from Maxspect was supposed to have IOTa support for the 2016 series Apex by now, but yeah, that's seemingly dead in the water and doesn't apply anyway since you're on Profilux.

Thank you very much...excellent summary and explanations! It seems the IceCap has improved durability with each excessive model. I would like to be able to program the pumps to slow down the pumps during feed modes automatically with my Profilux 4. But, if I understand you correctly, the P4 would basically only control the pumps when the feed mode is pushed on the P4...otherwise, all other gyre pump configurations would have to be done on the IceCap phone app? I wonder why the P4 couldn't control all this if the gyre is connected to it through a 0-10v slot?

 

[Chefwheredyougo]

I have the 3k, and with the controller you can set times for select speeds, even different modes for specific times and it changes automatically... idk if thats what you're asking

 

[Idoc]

I have the 3k, and with the controller you can set times for select speeds, even different modes for specific times and it changes automatically... idk if thats what you're asking

Yes, that was part of my question...thanks!!! The IceCap model seems like a good choice!

 

[Kyl]

Sorry yes, the native 1k/ 3k controllers (1 per pump) can store a number (I believe 8?) of different flow profiles to cycle through depending on the time period. The forthcoming 2k / 4k Icecap gyres do not ship with the older controller, rather the new one I mentioned.

 

[Kyl]

Thank you very much...excellent summary and explanations! It seems the IceCap has improved durability with each excessive model. I would like to be able to program the pumps to slow down the pumps during feed modes automatically with my Profilux 4. But, if I understand you correctly, the P4 would basically only control the pumps when the feed mode is pushed on the P4...otherwise, all other gyre pump configurations would have to be done on the IceCap phone app? I wonder why the P4 couldn't control all this if the gyre is connected to it through a 0-10v slot?

Not exactly. The two controllers have a 0-10v input port, that you'd feed with your P4. So your normal gyre programming would all be done on those two native controllers (with their app), not the P4. What the P4 would do is initiate events, like feed mode, maintenance mode, shut off mode, etc.

Example:

Your gyres are running normal say 50-100% pulsing waves. You set an intervention event to disrupt that and put the pumps into 10% flow each (feed mode). You would then set this event to trigger when the P4 sends 5v on the 0-10v port. On the P4 you would make a PL gate or toggle that when enabled would send 5v on the 0-10v port. The gyre controllers will then read the incoming signal and interrupt whatever program is running to instead trigger the "5v" event, and lower them to a feed mode.

Alternatively, at 10v you set the pumps to shut off. P4 during maintenance trigger sends10v on the 0-10v line, the gyre controller reads that, interrupts whatever programming is on and tells the pumps to shut off as long as that 10v signal is being sent.

Make sense? The 0-10v input port on those gyre controllers is not for programming the pumps per-se, but more for triggering programming interruption events. @Jeff@CoralVue, feel free to jump in if my interpretation of the 0-10v input port functionality on the Icecap / Wave Engine is not factually correct.

 

[Idoc]

Not exactly. The two controllers have a 0-10v input port, that you'd feed with your P4. So your normal gyre programming would all be done on those two native controllers (with their app), not the P4. What the P4 would do is initiate events, like feed mode, maintenance mode, shut off mode, etc.

Example:

Your gyres are running normal say 50-100% pulsing waves. You set an intervention event to disrupt that and put the pumps into 10% flow each (feed mode). You would then set this event to trigger when the P4 sends 5v on the 0-10v port. On the P4 you would make a PL gate or toggle that when enabled would send 5v on the 0-10v port. The gyre controllers will then read the incoming signal and interrupt whatever program is running to instead trigger the "5v" event, and lower them to a feed mode.

Alternatively, at 10v you set the pumps to shut off. P4 during maintenance trigger sends10v on the 0-10v line, the gyre controller reads that, interrupts whatever programming is on and tells the pumps to shut off as long as that 10v signal is being sent.

Make sense? The 0-10v input port on those gyre controllers is not for programming the pumps per-se, but more for triggering programming interruption events. @Jeff@CoralVue, feel free to jump in if my interpretation of the 0-10v input port functionality on the Icecap / Wave Engine is not factually correct.

I understand now! Seems kind of crazy for how to use the 0-10v capabilities, but understandable that the P4 needs a way (signal) to tell the gyre pumps what to do.