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Hey guys, with my new build, I’m going to need a lot of LED lights, this for me shrinking, I can get the same coverage with half the lights if I went metal halide.

a hydra 64, or radion xr30 is around 195 watts , I would need 6-8 of them on my new build, but only need 3 400 watt halides. So around the same wattage.

am I over thinking this? Should I still go led? Are halides obsolete?
 
I could not get reliable coral growth until I switched to halides for my primary lighting.

They are hot and expensive to run - but you turn them on and they work.

I have a 4' long 4 bulb T5 plus 3 Kessil 360we over a 120 gallon tank - with the kessils turned up full blast. Lights are about 14" over the surface. Things lived but didn't thrive.

Same set up with a 400w halide and 2 4' long blue reef-brites and everything is growing quite well.

In MY exact scenario - Halides are the answer.

Others may or may not replicate my experience - but for me, halides work.
 
I could not get reliable coral growth until I switched to halides for my primary lighting.

They are hot and expensive to run - but you turn them on and they work.

I have a 4' long 4 bulb T5 plus 3 Kessil 360we over a 120 gallon tank - with the kessils turned up full blast. Lights are about 14" over the surface. Things lived but didn't thrive.

Same set up with a 400w halide and 2 4' long blue reef-brites and everything is growing quite well.

In MY exact scenario - Halides are the answer.

Others may or may not replicate my experience - but for me, halides work.
Well, 6 - 8 leds at 200 watts (roughly each) is the same wattage as 3 400 watt halides... so the only cost difference is the bulbs.

My old tank, was lit by 3 hydra 26hd and 2 orphek led bars, and grew everything but, when you add up the amount of lights I’ll need in my new tank, it makes me ponder
 
Bulbs are readily available and I don't believe that will change any time soon.

Personally - I don't care about total wattage - manufacturers all lie IMO.

I bought a par meter and measured using that just to be sure I wasn't going to cook anything - a 400w halide, reefbrite ballast, 14k bulb plus 2 4' long blue reef-brite LED strips - all about 24" over water surface gives me about 450 par just under the surface and roughly 200 par at 10" under water.

The cost comes in operating cost - they use a lot of electricity and the bulbs need replaced once in a while
 
Thanks josh. What would you do over a 96x36x30 tank?

Honestly I'm not sure, I keep flipping back and fourth with my lighting on my tank. My plan right from the start was to run dual 250W MH but then I thought of running 6 Primes because my tank is so shallow.

You'll always find arguments on both sides of the fence for either technology. I'd probably do 3 400W's myself on that size tank but I'm by no means an expert.
 
Honestly I'm not sure, I keep flipping back and fourth with my lighting on my tank. My plan right from the start was to run dual 250W MH but then I thought of running 6 Primes because my tank is so shallow.

You'll always find arguments on both sides of the fence for either technology. I'd probably do 3 400W's myself on that size tank but I'm by no means an expert.
You may not be an expert, but I still respect your opinion. I know heat wouldn’t be an issue with our climate, and the house being air conditioned.
I know the feeling about going back and forth, I’ve been juggling tank size for ever now lol
 
My tank is 96"x36"x27" high. I have 4 250watt Halides, supplemented with T5 and LEDs.

If I were you, I'd go with 250watt as opposed to 400watt. My tank can grow and color up acros at every level of depth. I don't think you need 400watt for 30" depth, it's a lot of extra heat for I'm not sure much benefit. My ballasts/fixtures also support 400watt, so you could just get electronic ballasts with support for both 250/400, start with 250watt bulbs and then can always upgrade to 400watt if you need more power.

Then I would supplement with either T5s or Blue LEDs strips to your viewing tastes. Blue LEDs bring out colors in corals that nothing else will, but they also create a much more artificial look than blue T5s. I think Radium halides + Blue LEDs creates a beautiful yet electrical look to the corals, but everybody will have different taste.

Basically, halides aren't obsolete but they do have cons compared to LED. For smaller tanks I think LEDs clearly win, but for a tank your size the advantages of MH make them a real contender. At some point it will be personal preference. If you play it out over 5 years, the differences in cost won't be all that different so it really will come down to whether or not you prefer the look of LEDs vs the halides, or you have some other major consideration to worry about to tip the scales on way or the other (upfront cost, heat, etc).

Edit: I'll also add for my tank, the lights are on 12 hours but the halides are only on for 5. I think of the halides as the engine to grow the corals and not necessarily the light which is defining the look of the tank. With LEDs you have more ability to keep color consistent if you want to vary the intensity. With halides they are either on or off.
 
My tank is 96"x36"x27" high. I have 4 250watt Halides, supplemented with T5 and LEDs.

If I were you, I'd go with 250watt as opposed to 400watt. My tank can grow and color up acros at every level of depth. I don't think you need 400watt for 30" depth, it's a lot of extra heat for I'm not sure much benefit. My ballasts/fixtures also support 400watt, so you could just get electronic ballasts with support for both 250/400, start with 250watt bulbs and then can always upgrade to 400watt if you need more power.

Then I would supplement with either T5s or Blue LEDs strips to your viewing tastes. Blue LEDs bring out colors in corals that nothing else will, but they also create a much more artificial look than blue T5s. I think Radium halides + Blue LEDs creates a beautiful yet electrical look to the corals, but everybody will have different taste.

Basically, halides aren't obsolete but they do have cons compared to LED. For smaller tanks I think LEDs clearly win, but for a tank your size the advantages of MH make them a real contender. At some point it will be personal preference. If you play it out over 5 years, the differences in cost won't be all that different so it really will come down to whether or not you prefer the look of LEDs vs the halides, or you have some other major consideration to worry about to tip the scales on way or the other (upfront cost, heat, etc).

Edit: I'll also add for my tank, the lights are on 12 hours but the halides are only on for 5. I think of the halides as the engine to grow the corals and not necessarily the light which is defining the look of the tank. With LEDs you have more ability to keep color consistent if you want to vary the intensity. With halides they are either on or off.
Good way to look at it. The cost upfront isn’t the concern, it’s more so what would be better for a tank that size to grow acros. I think halides are the way to go!
 
Good way to look at it. The cost upfront isn’t the concern, it’s more so what would be better for a tank that size to grow acros. I think halides are the way to go!

Well I have no opinion one way or the other on whether LEDs or halides grow acros better. A lot of professional operations use LEDs so obviously they think they LEDs are better (or grow as well as halides with a lower operating cost).

What I will attest is that halides are simpler. You put a high quality bulb in the socket, turn it on, and then your corals are going to grow (assuming your water chemistry is good!). Then the challenge is making the corals look the way you want, which BTW, can be quite a challenge! But if you *like* the look of halides, then halides are a no brainer. If you *like* the look of LEDs, then LEDs might be better.

At the size of your tank it is really going to come down to personal preference. Both have advantages and disadvantages.
 
Well I have no opinion one way or the other on whether LEDs or halides grow acros better. A lot of professional operations use LEDs so obviously they think they LEDs are better (or grow as well as halides with a lower operating cost).

What I will attest is that halides are simpler. You put a high quality bulb in the socket, turn it on, and then your corals are going to grow (assuming your water chemistry is good!). Then the challenge is making the corals look the way you want, which BTW, can be quite a challenge! But if you *like* the look of halides, then halides are a no brainer. If you *like* the look of LEDs, then LEDs might be better.

At the size of your tank it is really going to come down to personal preference. Both have advantages and disadvantages.

Most use LEDs to pump as much color out of the coral as possible to increase its value. Sad part is coral goes to someone else’s system and never look the same as advertised.
 
I’ve been keeping reef tanks for over 30 yrs and can say that halides are my favorite lighting for a reef tank. They produce the best color and shimmer and par. But (there’s always a but) I wouldn’t go back to them from LEDs. If I lived somewhere like Alaska or Greenland or Norway sure where you don’t have to fight the heat they give off. Some of the earliest reef Tanks were in those areas And we’re massive As well as amazing. In modern reefing only the wealthy can afford the power bill to power them and cool the tank. Yes my dream tank would be halide lit but I don’t live in a dream world. If you go to WWC in Orlando you won’t see halides but dozens of LED fixtures. They grow some amazing corals.
 
I think we're going to see a surge in MH return. I've had halides on my last tank years back and LEDs on my current one. The halides are just unparalleled.
 
I didn’t like halides 20 years ago and don’t like them now, haha. But if someone does that’s great and they can have a place today. If I was lighting the OP tank I would consider running a few reefbreeders photons front to back. The 24” ones would probably be fine unless literally growing coral on the back and front glass.

here is a mostly reefbreeder powered setup.

 

IF YOU HAD TO TAKE A REEFING EXAM, WOULD YOU PASS?

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