Has any one seriously considered 100% air power for flow?

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It is really appealing, and I am seeing rates as high as 1400 gph with a 4 foot head through a 4" pipe from the aquaculture side of things. The set up naturally lends its self to a protein skimmer. I set this up for my brothers half empty pool that I threw some shrimp and guppies in. It would take a lot to get him to let me add salt. Here is a link to what it is.

http://www.koiknowledge.com/airlift.html
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This article shows a three stage design on page 28 that is really cool. Page 25 describes the setup as having a total of 150 cm lift. Results show in the discussion on page 31 show a flow rate of 3.976 L/s. If I am reading it right, it looks like that thing can put out about 3781 gph with close to a 5 foot lift. It just seems kind of incredible. The hard to believe kind of incredible that makes me think I must have read thing wrong. Would you mind taking a look at it for me?

http://repository.sustech.edu/bitstream/handle/123456789/13129/Research .pdf?sequence=3&isAllowed=y
 
Interesting I’m guessing this would take a lot of air to keep running. It makes me wonder if the cost would even justify it. You would have to have a good size compressor to keep it going I would think.
 
I've ran a tropical tank with airstones for circulation(regular return though) and am still running a coldwater tank with airstones.

They are great since they produce a lot of flow that is still very gentle, they also have no intakes that can trap and hurt fish or invertebrates. They also don't clog... Well, they do get covered in time but that takes a long while. I got them in the first place because I was trying to grow kelp in the coldwater tank and my streamers caught so much hair algae in a few days that the flow stopped. They also add no heat to the water, or close to none. It is also quite efficient. A 20w airpump can drive a pretty large tank, at least 50 gallons(ca 200 liters). It can make a tank half that size boil with flow. Since you often install the stones on the bottom of the tank water is circulated though the entire column.

They have a very nasty habit though that made me remove them from the tropical tank after a few months... Salt spray. To use them in a tank without a glass lid is more or less a nightmare, and the glass only helps, it does not eliminate the problem. The bursting bubbles pops salt everywhere around the tank. It ain't that bad in the beginning, you can wipe it away with ease but with time it starts to collect in weird places you missed and then the white horror begins. Once you start to see salt crystals somewhere around the tank that area is infested and will continue to torment you.

It is also noisy. Not much mind you, it's fairly quiet compared to many mechanical pumps. But it can never be truly silent unless flow is minimal or you have a tight canopy that insulates. The bursting bubbles always makes sound. Might be soothing to some but it is still sound.

In my coldwater tank the creep is much less of a problem though. The cold water actually helps a huge deal. Since it is lower the splashes from the bubbles actually flow down into the water again instead of evaporating leaving the crystals behind. You still have to cover the tank and some spray does still occur but the difference is dramatic. Here the advantage of not adding heat to the water is also much more important and makes a significant improvement to the temps. Which is good for both the inhabitants(slower temp fluctuations) and the electric bill(chiller runs less often).

I do believe that with air lifts you could create a degassing chamber which would remove a lot of bubbles which might make air driven tropical tanks much more feasible. Will experiment more with this...
 
Ive dreamed about this. The best i could come up with was using a nuematic ejector pump (a gyser). I built the thing although poorly built, i couldnt get it to discharge much water passed 4 feet. I was using a 20 watt air pump.

The problem with air lifts is they can only go 1/4 higher than the submerged depth. So youd need to make like a stairway of them to reach the tank.

Aquatic ecosystems Ecowheel used to make an air powered reef. It used an algae turf scrubber too. This was like 15 years ago and cost 5k for a 100 gallon tank setup.
 
Agree with @d.fast. Salt creep would be a real issue.
 
Ive dreamed about this. The best i could come up with was using a nuematic ejector pump (a gyser). I built the thing although poorly built, i couldnt get it to discharge much water passed 4 feet. I was using a 20 watt air pump.

The problem with air lifts is they can only go 1/4 higher than the submerged depth. So youd need to make like a stairway of them to reach the tank.

Aquatic ecosystems Ecowheel used to make an air powered reef. It used an algae turf scrubber too. This was like 15 years ago and cost 5k for a 100 gallon tank setup.
The article I attached above has a design for a ladder that will lift water in 4 stages. The design is around page 22.

I set up a 4 inch lift pipe and a 40 watt air pump in my brothers pond just to see how much water it moves. The pond is only 2 feet deep so the pipe doesn't have much lift. Here is a clip.
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Remember that it is a 4 inch opening.

If I can set up a container wide enough to hold the pipe and as tall as the tank, I think it would move considerably more water. I think that a skimmer combo bubble trap could be put on this thing to make it manageable. I was thinking about something like the triple flow design from the old Red Sea Berlin skimmers. I have some 8 inch scrap in my shop and an 8 inch euroreef skimmer top that will fit it. The thing would be pretty massive, but if I can put the container together from 5 gallon buckets or something really cheap I will try it out.

Running that water across a turf scrubber seems like it would be really effective and possibly an additional way to get rid of the foam. If I am able to have a few inches of lift with this It will make things more feasible.
 
Here is a shot of the bubble diffuser that sits at the bottom inside of the wye, as well as a couple shots of the prototype.

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