Hawaii Fish Ban Update

[avm]

As mentioned, this will Not be an overnight process and if I took a guess, 3-4 months before seeing any real movement

thanks for the informations

 

[Zekkal]

Thanks for keeping us all posted

 

[CheshireReef]

I may be in the minority here, but I hope the ban stays in place, unless it truly is sustainable for the fish populations. Maybe another decade of the ban would be best. I personally don't care if certain fish aren't available for my aquarium or if captive breds aren't as nice. I own 3 Biota YTs and they look just fine to me..if that means not plucking them from the ocean, I'm not selfish enough to demand a bright yellow to stare at for my own personal enjoyment at the expense of the YT wild populations.

With sustained higher prices more investment will feed in to the aquarium bred method with more sucsess. Better practices should lead to better speci.ins and eventually fairer pricing

 

[CheshireReef]

They’ll be the same price as before the ban

Unfortunately this isn't how the economy works. If suppliers can get higher prices for their fish they most certey will.... untill the market gets over saturated and competition drives prices down.

 

[iReefer12]

@Hawaii hobbyist, forgive my ignorance here, but are local diving fishermen venturing down to Xmas islands and taking your skills there? I’m assuming the Hawaii ban doesn’t affect islands that are close by? Most species in Hawaii are also found on Xmas islands right?

Wondering what the closest island to Hawaii is that is not covered under the ban? Assume the problem then is exportation?

 

[vetteguy53081]

@Hawaii hobbyist, forgive my ignorance here, but are local diving fishermen venturing down to Xmas islands and taking your skills there? I’m assuming the Hawaii ban doesn’t affect islands that are close by? Most species in Hawaii are also found on Xmas islands right?

Wondering what the closest island to Hawaii is that is not covered under the ban? Assume the problem then is exportation?

O'ahu and western shores

 

[Zekkal]

@Hawaii hobbyist, forgive my ignorance here, but are local diving fishermen venturing down to Xmas islands and taking your skills there? I’m assuming the Hawaii ban doesn’t affect islands that are close by? Most species in Hawaii are also found on Xmas islands right?

Wondering what the closest island to Hawaii is that is not covered under the ban? Assume the problem then is exportation?

I've read exportation is the main issue with getting yellows from the Japan island Ogasawara. Which leads to their lower numbers and adds to their increased price.
So I could see that being a similar issue

 

[wjm6449]

As mentioned, this will Not be an overnight process and if I took a guess, 3-4 months before seeing any real movement

So you’re saying my $200 yellow tang is gonna cost $75 in a year? Oh well!

 

[vetteguy53081]

So you’re saying my $200 yellow tang is gonna cost $75 in a year? Oh well!

No one said that and we have to be patient and see how things pan out

 

[ryshark]

So you’re saying my $200 yellow tang is gonna cost $75 in a year? Oh well!

Who knows anymore on price or time. I feel like we’ve been hearing 3-4 months for 3-4 years.

 

[Northern Flicker]

Supplier on another site said not to expect any new exports until late 2025/early 2026 if ever. Is this due to some new entanglement or was this always the expectation? They also didn't think we would see sub $200 YTs anytime soon, but depends on if the reef market really is crashing or if this is just a lull industry wide.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Supplier on another site said not to expect any new exports until late 2025/early 2026 if ever. Is this due to some new entanglement or was this always the expectation? They also didn't think we would see sub $200 YTs anytime soon, but depends on if the reef market really is crashing or if this is just a lull industry wide.

Collectors will be a few months yet. Suppliers may be an over estimate but as I said, will take some time.

 

[Should I]

will golden dwarf morays be collected or not?

 

[vetteguy53081]

will golden dwarf morays be collected or not?

You can imagine there is no definitive answer to this as the island is still comprising a list of allowable species and quotas

 

[Flame2hawk]

Hawaii being closed is resulting in advances in captive breeding which is good the hobby. As competition amongst aquaculture captive breeders grows, pricing will also come down. This is the long term sustainable model for the future.

 

[Should I]

Not sure why we keep fretting about this. Hawaii being closed is resulting in advances in captive breeding which is good the hobby. As competition amongst aquaculture captive breeders grows, pricing will also come down. This is the long term sustainable model for the future.

cause its not just yellow tangs that come from hawaii . . .

 

[Flame2hawk]

cause its not just yellow tangs that come from hawaii . . .

By supporting captive breeding, more Hawaiian and other species will become available. Already many more than yellow tangs are available that are traditionally from hawaii and surrounding.

 

[Jasonak]

By supporting captive breeding, more Hawaiian and other species will become available. Already many more than yellow tangs are available that are traditionally from hawaii and surrounding.

Ive never met a single person in the reefing/saltwater community that does not support captive breeding.

 

[iReefer12]

Okay PETA.. it’s a nice idea, and I support captive breeding as much as anyone, but some species are so niche, that companies will not invest the money and resources into captive breeding them.

Sustainably caught fish is not really a large problem, there’s way more damage being done to the reefs by tourism. Maybe we should ban people from snorkeling on the reefs.. we should also ban sunscreen on the beaches too..

 

[Flame2hawk]

Okay PETA.. it’s a nice idea, and I support captive breeding as much as anyone, but some species are so niche, that companies will not invest the money and resources into captive breeding them.

Sustainably caught fish is not really a large problem, there’s way more damage being done to the reefs by tourism. Maybe we should ban people from snorkeling on the reefs.. we should also ban sunscreen on the beaches too..

There is no reason for the derogatory tone. All i was saying is that the pause in hawaii has put more emphasis on captive breeding and thus accelerated progress is being made. I too miss fish like crosshatch triggers and look forward to them being captive bred since they already have spawned in captivity….only a matter of time…..