Help: Brooklynella or Velvet?

[Wildreefs]

Thanks for the advice, I won't add lights to qt.

Now, I'm reading that formalin can cause cancer to fish and that some fish exposed to formalin don’t live past 18-24 months. That's not good!! if formalin isn't even necessary to fight velvet. Should I not use the quickcure?

Quick cure doesn’t have the necessary percentage of formalin. It’s useless here

 

[JMF2324]

Do you think the puffer will survive the copper?

The fish that are most affected will start copper tomorrow. The others will start chloroquine phosphate Friday, these fish are not showing signs of velvet yet except the puffer, which is sensitive to copper. If the others start showing signs of velvet I will just start copper on them tomorrow aswell.

 

[LAReefer4Life]

Here are some threads in regards to your puffer. Again I think raising copper over a slow period is better than waiting 3 more days to treat but only you can really judge the severity of your current situation.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1575823

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/valentini-puffer-copper-and-freshwater-dip.466404/

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/talk-me-through-this.585109/

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/valentini-puffer-care.563089/

 

[JMF2324]

I'll start copper tomorrow on both quarantine tanks. Thanks for the links on the puffer and copper.

 

[LAReefer4Life]

Of course keep us posted. Also make sure you have a solid copper test like the Hanna Copper Checker and slowly dose over 5 days to 1.75 ppm. Break up the daily dose into 2 or 3 smaller doses each day instead of one big daily dose as you are increasing up to therapeutic level. The key is pristine water. Keep a close eye on ammonia levels.

 

[JMF2324]

I read that for coppersafe I had to use the api copper test.

 

[LAReefer4Life]

What copper did you order? Cupramine or Copper Power?

 

[JMF2324]

See link below
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/copper-test-kits.257924/

 

[LAReefer4Life]

See link below
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/copper-test-kits.257924/

Can you clarify which brand of copper you ordered?

 

[JMF2324]

I have the coppersafe and the api copper test kit now.

 

[JMF2324]

I ordered chloroquine phosphate today because I thought that I couldn't use copper on the puffer.

 

[LAReefer4Life]

I have the coppersafe and the api copper test kit now.

Copy that. API test kits are hard to read, but it is just preference. Hanna checkers digital and give clear test results.

 

[JMF2324]

I will call the lfs in the area to see if anyone has the hannah checker.

 

[Wildreefs]

Do you think the puffer will survive the copper?

The fish that are most affected will start copper tomorrow. The others will start chloroquine phosphate Friday, these fish are not showing signs of velvet yet except the puffer, which is sensitive to copper. If the others start showing signs of velvet I will just start copper on them tomorrow aswell.

If you use copper power he will be fine. Lfs use it and so have I. The others I’ve seen first hand not work well with them

 

[JMF2324]

I will try to find copper power tomorrow, I'm sure someone must have it in stock.

 

[ngoodermuth]

I will try to find copper power tomorrow, I'm sure someone must have it in stock.

Copper Power and Coppersafe are both chelated copper, so comparable. The reason we suggest the former over the latter, is that one of our members did some testing and found huge disparities in concentration from bottle to bottle. Which doesn’t mean it won’t work, but you will have to forget the dosing instructions on the bottle and rely on frequent testing to get the level up to therapeutic.

The API kit works with chelated coppers, but is a little difficult to read because the colors don’t really match up to the chart well. But, it will work.

For velvet, I would not wait... you should start ramping up whatever copper you can get or have now, it takes several days to get it up to 1.75-2.0, and with the puffer and wrasses you can’t rush it, so that’s all the longer your fish will have to fight the velvet on their own.

At this point, there is probably extensive damage to the gills of the affected.... and even with treatment, recovery will be difficult and the risk of secondary infection is huge.

 

[ngoodermuth]

Also, regarding your earlier comment about formalin... I don’t use it at all personally.

Acriflavine is a good alternative:
Acriflavine
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sh....php?threads/Acriflavine.282887/&share_type=t

Or in a pinch, I would use H202 instead:
https://humble.fish/hydrogen-peroxide/

 

[Spar]

I cant get my hands on chloroquine phosphate, I have pretty much called every vet in the area the last 2 days and no one will prescribe it to me.

You don't need a vet, just a reputable supplier. Fishman Chemical is said to have over 95% pure CP in their product. I use it from here and seems to have worked on the two survivors I had from my Velvet bout.
https://www.fishchemical.com/FULL-PRODUCT-LIST-CHLOROQUINE-PHOSPHATE-22937.Item.html

I bought the 100 gram package so it lasts a long while.

 

[JMF2324]

I'm putting everyone in quarantine tanks today and starting copper. I'm going now to buy copper power from my lfs. I will keep everyone updated.

 

[JMF2324]

You don't need a vet, just a reputable supplier. Fishman Chemical is said to have over 95% pure CP in their product. I use it from here and seems to have worked on the two survivors I had from my Velvet bout.
https://www.fishchemical.com/FULL-PRODUCT-LIST-CHLOROQUINE-PHOSPHATE-22937.Item.html

I bought the 100 gram package so it lasts a long while.

I ordered 100 grams yesterday, it will get here Friday. But I'm not going to use it, as everyone is telling me to start all fish on copper today.