Help indentifying fisg

[herpinsaquarium]

Hi
This was bought as Chaetodon Tinkeri. What is your opinion ?

 

[MnFish1]

Hi
This was bought as Chaetodon Tinkeri. What is your opinion ?

There is no picture or anything attached?

 

[herpinsaquarium]

There is the picture

 

[herpinsaquarium]

There is the

There is no picture or anything attached?

sorry, it did not post it for some reason

 

[MnFish1]

There is the picture

The problem is - I can't tell how big or small the fish is - IF it's quite small - it could be changing color (see how the front black is fading)? To me it also looks like Burgess' butterflyfish

 

[herpinsaquarium]

The problem is - I can't tell how big or small the fish is - IF it's quite small - it could be changing color (see how the front black is fading)? To me it also looks like Burgess' butterflyfish

It’s quite small, but it has the colours of the Tinkeri all over the body, the problem is the black line that the tinkeri usually doesn’t have

 

[vetteguy53081]

Hi
This was bought as Chaetodon Tinkeri. What is your opinion ?

Its a ghost fish !! Need pics under white lighting

 

[MnFish1]

It’s quite small, but it has the colours of the Tinkeri all over the body, the problem is the black line that the tinkeri usually doesn’t have

If you look at the picture of the burgess butterfly - it looks like one of those. But - as I said. it could also be that the anterior blackness (to me) is fading. How big is the fish?

 

[herpinsaquarium]

If you look at the picture of the burgess butterfly - it looks like one of those. But - as I said. it could also be that the anterior blackness (to me) is fading. How big is the fish?

About 7 cm

 

[herpinsaquarium]

Its a ghost fish !! Need pics under white lighting

 

[vetteguy53081]

There is the picture

May be Burgess Butterflyfish often confused with Basabe’s Butterflyfish

 

[MnFish1]

About 7 cm

OH thats pretty big. So - this becomes a problem - since it's known that Burgessi and Tinker can also interbreed. I'm sure you've seen this page - but look at the examples. juvenile chaetodon tinkeri

 

[MnFish1]

Let's back up a second. How much was the fish? 1200? 1300? more/less

 

[MnFish1]

Basabe's and Banded butterflies have much more vertical striping. Not really like this picture IMHO. I think it's either an immature Tinkeri Or a Burgessi or a hybrid. If I were you I would ask the person from whom you bought the fish - why did you call it a Tinkeri (I think this is less likely to be a tinkeri. BTW) - instead of another fish. It's a little unclear - are you wanting to say you didn't get what y ou paid for, etc - I would leave it to the vendor to prove you've gotten what you paid for.

 

[herpinsaquarium]

Let's back up a second. How much was the fish? 1200? 1300? more/

I own a small business in Finland and bought this from a very reputable wholesaler. I bought it as a Tinkeri, and they reassured me that they also bought it as Tinkeri and that it is just a juvenile. I have a client interested in it, but I don’t want to sell it to him something as something that it’s not.

 

[herpinsaquarium]

I own a small business in Finland and bought this from a very reputable wholesaler. I bought it as a Tinkeri, and they reassured me that they also bought it as Tinkeri and that it is just a juvenile. I have a client interested in it, but I don’t want to sell it to him something as something that it’s not.

So what would you think? Hybrid?

 

[MnFish1]

So what would you think? Hybrid?

I am not sure you can tell at this stage 'for sure'. In fact the more I look - the more 'yellow' I see as compared to the Tinkeri 'orange' highlights. I don't presume to tell you how to run your business. If it were me I would say it's analogous to selling an artwork 'After Rembrandt' or 'in the school of Rembrandt' - we can't guarantee it. It will likely become a very beautiful fish - As to whether it's a tinkeri - My guess is 'no' - or a hybrid. However - that said - there are very few pictures of small juveniles available to compare. If you wanted to hold it to see how the front black area fades (or not) - all good. IMHO - The lack of pure orange coloration is a warning sign. Hope this helps rather than confuses

 

[herpinsaquarium]

I am not sure you can tell at this stage 'for sure'. In fact the more I look - the more 'yellow' I see as compared to the Tinkeri 'orange' highlights. I don't presume to tell you how to run your business. If it were me I would say it's analogous to selling an artwork 'After Rembrandt' or 'in the school of Rembrandt' - we can't guarantee it. It will likely become a very beautiful fish - As to whether it's a tinkeri - My guess is 'no' - or a hybrid. However - that said - there are very few pictures of small juveniles available to compare. If you wanted to hold it to see how the front black area fades (or not) - all good. IMHO - The lack of pure orange coloration is a warning sign. Hope this helps rather than confuses

Thanks for your help. I by no means believe that I’m an expert especially when it comes to identifying fish, as I focusse more on corals. This order was a one off. I ended up selling it as a Burgessi X Tinkeri Hybrid for much less. If it ends up being a Tinkeri good for the buyer, but at least he is paying for what I can identify it as right now.
Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it.

 

[socalreeffan]

Hi
This was bought as Chaetodon Tinkeri. What is your opinion ?

Burgess