Help is this ICH

Wyleskymommy · Mar 20, 2020

redfishbluefish · Mar 20, 2020

First off, welcome to R2R #WelcometoR2R

Sure looks like Ich, but I'm no expert, so let's get the right eyes looking... @Big G , @HotRocks , @4FordFamily , #reefsquad

In the meantime, I'd get a hospital tank set up to isolate all fish.

Thomashtom · Mar 20, 2020

That looks more like velvet! Definitely setup QT and treat with cooper or CP!!!

Wyleskymommy · Mar 20, 2020

redfishbluefish said:
First off, welcome to R2R #WelcometoR2R

Sure looks like Ich, but I'm no expert, so let's get the right eyes looking... @Big G , @HotRocks , @4FordFamily , #reefsquad

In the meantime, I'd get a hospital tank set up to isolate all fish.

Is it a good idea to lower the salinity in qt tank? I have been doing a lot of reading this morning. Too early to get any medications yet!

Squidward · Mar 20, 2020

I wouldn't lower salinity. You could do a quick freshwater bath to help a little for the time being. That's either a serious case of ich or velvet. Hopefully that isn't velvet. Good luck.

Marc88 · Mar 20, 2020

Wyleskymommy said:
Is it a good idea to lower the salinity in qt tank? I have been doing a lot of reading this morning. Too early to get any medications yet!

Check this thread out : https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/fish-disease-index-pictorial-guide.285708/

I would definitely sat it's velvet! Act quick to prevent losses!

moz71 · Mar 20, 2020

Oh boy! Looks like velvet. As others said, act quickly. Get in QT get copper. Looks pretty severe right now good luck

dwest · Mar 20, 2020

Good luck!

Velvet (Amyloodinium ocellatum)

Marine Velvet Disease (Amyloodinium ocellatum) What You Need To Know: * Fast killing parasite capable of wiping out most of your fish in just a matter of days. Sometimes there are survivors, sometimes not. * Can be treated in a quarantine tank using Chloroquine phosphate or Copper. A 5...

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HotRocks · Mar 20, 2020

That is actually velvet. Treatment details are included in the link.

Velvet (Amyloodinium ocellatum)

Marine Velvet Disease (Amyloodinium ocellatum) What You Need To Know: * Fast killing parasite capable of wiping out most of your fish in just a matter of days. Sometimes there are survivors, sometimes not. * Can be treated in a quarantine tank using Chloroquine phosphate or Copper. A 5...

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Wyleskymommy · Mar 20, 2020

HotRocks said:
That is actually velvet. Treatment details are included in the link.

Velvet (Amyloodinium ocellatum)

Marine Velvet Disease (Amyloodinium ocellatum) What You Need To Know: * Fast killing parasite capable of wiping out most of your fish in just a matter of days. Sometimes there are survivors, sometimes not. * Can be treated in a quarantine tank using Chloroquine phosphate or Copper. A 5...

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Thank you!

Wyleskymommy · Mar 20, 2020

This is in a separate tank, but one of my fish from the other tank was in here before being added to the other tank. Just wanted to show.

4FordFamily · Mar 20, 2020

HotRocks said:
That is actually velvet. Treatment details are included in the link.

Velvet (Amyloodinium ocellatum)

Marine Velvet Disease (Amyloodinium ocellatum) What You Need To Know: * Fast killing parasite capable of wiping out most of your fish in just a matter of days. Sometimes there are survivors, sometimes not. * Can be treated in a quarantine tank using Chloroquine phosphate or Copper. A 5...

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This exactly. Very severe, you’ll need to act quickly.

Big G · Mar 20, 2020

Velvet Emergency Plan:

5 minute freshwater dip
Immediately afterwards, perform a chemical bath (in saltwater matching SG/temp the fish came from). THIS STEP GREATLY IMPROVE SURVIVAL RATES: You have two options:

Acriflavine (preferred) - Do the bath for 75-90 minutes, but remove the fish immediately at the first sign of distress. Aerate heavily both before & during the bath, and temperature control the water. The following products contain acriflavine: Acriflavine-MS and Ruby Reef Rally. DO NOT mix acriflavine with any other chemicals.
Formalin - Do the bath for 30-60 minutes max, but remove the fish immediately at the first sign of distress. Aerate heavily both before & during the bath, and temperature control the water. The following products contain formalin: Formalin-MS, Quick Cure, Aquarium Solutions Ich-X, Kordon Rid-Ich Plus. Use protection (rubber gloves, face mask, eye protection, etc.) whenever handling formalin as it is a known carcinogen! However, you can add Methylene Blue to the formalin bath (1 capful per 2-3 gallons of bath water.)

After the bath, place the fish in a QT pre-dosed at 80mg/gal using Chloroquine phosphate. In theory, copper (exs. Cupramine, Coppersafe, Copper Power) should work just as well as CP. However, due to how fast velvet can reproduce you don’t have the luxury of slowly ramping up the copper level as is normally advised. Therefore, the fish needs to be placed in a QT with copper already at minimum therapeutic levels. This is the advantage CP has over copper in this particular situation.
While in QT, use a wide spectrum antibiotic (exs. Seachem Kanaplex, Furan-2) for the first week to ward off any possible bacterial infections. Secondary bacterial infections are very common in fish with preexisting parasitic infestations such as velvet.
Keep the fish in CP or copper (at therapeutic levels) for one month. However, you can transfer the fish into a non-medicated holding tank for observation after just two weeks (explained below). DO NOT lower the CP or copper level before transferring.

Wyleskymommy · Mar 21, 2020

Day one with quarantine going good so far. Everyone is still alive and eating well! Fingers crossed that all my saltwater babies make it through treatment. Started treating in qt with Cupramine.

PSU4ME · Mar 21, 2020

Did you do the above FW dip followed by a medicated bath?

Wyleskymommy · Mar 22, 2020

Can eels get velvet? I have read about them being immune. Just wondering if they are infact immune would it be fine in another tank I have running? That tank currently has two volitans in it and nothing else which I have read are also immune. Thus eel came out of the tank I had with velvet in it!

Wyleskymommy · Mar 22, 2020

PSU4ME said:
Did you do the above FW dip followed by a medicated bath?

Yes I did just seen this sorry for not replying earlier.

Big G · Mar 22, 2020

Wyleskymommy said:
Can eels get velvet? I have read about them being immune. Just wondering if they are infact immune would it be fine in another tank I have running? That tank currently has two volitans in it and nothing else which I have read are also immune. Thus eel came out of the tank I had with velvet in it!

Yes, they can and do get and also act as carriers due to their slime coats.

Wyleskymommy · Mar 22, 2020

Big G said:
Yes, they can and do get and also act as carriers due to their slime coats.

Thank you

Wyleskymommy · Mar 22, 2020

Wyleskymommy said:
Thank you

Ok I am not giving up, but everyone looks like they might not make it with the exception on my ribbon eel you said the eel could be a carrier, so does that mean it hosts the parasite. Just wondering if everyone else does die do i continue the copper treatment?