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I know I posted this before, and it was answered, but something just isn’t adding up in my head.

I understand if you use two qt tanks, you can put fish in tank one, rev up copper, and after 14 days remove it to clean tank 2. Similar to process of ttm, the ich will fall of fish during that two weeks, and not be able to plant and reproduce.

All ich would have that fallen off before copper was brought up, wouldn’t be able to come up to fish during the two week therapeutic copper. Once the copper is high enough, anything coming off the fish to encyst would be killed by copper.

Once it goes into tank 2, bring it was sterile, nothing would be there to hatch out and attack fish, and the fish wouldn’t be able to drop anymore off because of that 2 week period in copper prior.

But if you have one tank, in my instance a dt, that was at therepeutic level prior to fish going in, then nothing would have been there to hatch out, being there was copper in place already, and same concept applies to fish places in the high level of copper, and 14 days after, anything that falls
Off would succomb to the copper.

So I guess my question is, if copper was at ther level before fish entered, so there’s no chance of become a cyst, and you hold it their for 14 days , so any ich or velvet on fish that would fall of would be hit by ther levels, how come it’s advised to run 30 days?

There wouldn’t be any eggs or cyst lying in wait to hatch and grab a fish, just thing to I’ll what might fall off the first two weeks they are place in 2.0 copper

I have some fish in there that have been in copper going on 90 days , and would like to end it sooner than later to get them out of there.

The last 3 fish I added were two weeks ago come Saturday, this was all done prophylactically .

Thank you in advance
 
Copper doesn't kill the parasites as they fall off the fish. It creates a shield for the fish by killing the final free swimming stage looking for a fish to host.

Ich/velvet in the stages that fall off the fish, then attaching to anything hard in the Aquarium to become an encysted tomont are unaffected by copper. Which is why the duration in a single tank needs to be longer than the 14 days as there can still be encysted tomonts releasing free swimmers. So technically if you have still been actively adding fish during this period you'd need to wait 30 days from the final add before reducing your Cu level.
 
^^yep, copper has a very limited window where it actually kills the parasites. When they hatch from the encysted state, and are looking for a host.

Otherwise, they can tolerate copper and lay dormant in the encysted stage for as long as 72 days, possibly longer.

The 30 day recommendation accounts for *most* strains of ich that would encyst... but is not fail-safe, which is why observation for several weeks post-treatment is important.

Also why it’s best to administer in a QT/hospital tank vs. your display tank.

Technically speaking, you could wait 30 days after your last addition and still end up seeing ich after the copper is removed :/

Chances are in your favor, but not 100%
 
i dont think we see enough the recommendation of doing a one-time TTM with Cu/CP QT'ing. the description above showing that it ONLY kills Theronts (and whatever the Velvet equiv is... same thing?), means that 30 days means nothing unless you do the single TTM at some point before lowering the Cu/CP levels.
 
Wow, I’m in shock m. Always thought copper killed the swimming stages, both the kind from fish to ground, and ground to fish.

dang
 
I think a lot of my confusion came when I searched “copper kills protomont” , and seen a couple boards mention, including a response from seachem, that it does kill them.

I will go the 30 days and hope that works.
 
I think a lot of my confusion came when I searched “copper kills protomont” , and seen a couple boards mention, including a response from seachem, that it does kill them.

I will go the 30 days and hope that works.
I don't see why it would affect protomonts any difference from theronts. Anyone know the actual reason for this? Is it like a gills vs. lungs type of difference (not literally, but I mean the organism changes are so significant that copper impacts only one stage and not another)?
 

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