Help Needed !!!!!!!

[Carl Cardarelli]

I been battling either Fluke , Neobenedenia or unknown parasite for 2 years in my 600 gallon tank. I used copper numerous of times , CP, praziquantel powder and hyposalinty several times.
When I use Hypo it seems to keep everything at bay (parasite) when I raise the salinity back it comes back in a few days. Hypo I did for 45 days and like I said as soon as salt back up problem came back. Fish are rubbing against stoners, eyes cloudy like it has salt on them (not ick), and rapid breathing which I have lost a few fish this month. even appetite some don't eat. Question is there any other medication out there that can be used on a resilient parasite\.

Any advice would be appreciated. I attached a pic of the latest causality had the fish for 2 years.,

Thanks for your time.

 

[fishguy242]

@Jay Hemdal @vetteguy53081 TIA.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Unfortunately, it will be hard to assess what happened with a dead carcass. Any pics of the fish in current tank under white lighting.
You describe all the symptoms of flukes but also some do apply to velvet in which the skin will look dusty looking.
with flukes, some sympoms are fish become lethargic, swim near the water surface, develop clamped fins, hide in the corner of the tank or behind rocks, lose their appetite, shake their head, flash, or scratch. They may also express what looks like yawning.
Flukes are actually parasitic flatworms belonging to the class of Monogeans which causes the symptoms just mentioned.
While fairly easy to treat , it must be confirmed. Generally Formalin or Prazi Pro are good treatment IF the fish is confirmed with flukes.
You can take one of the fish displaying this behavior and give it a 5 minute freshwater dip the same temperature as display tank in a CLEAN preferably dark bucket. After the dip, return the fish to display tank and take a flashlight and look on bottom of bucket for what looks like sesame seeds or fish scales. If you can see that- theyre flukes.

 

[Carl Cardarelli]

Unfortunately, it will be hard to assess what happened with a dead carcass. Any pics of the fish in current tank under white lighting.
You describe all the symptoms of flukes but also some do apply to velvet in which the skin will look dusty looking.
with flukes, some sympoms are fish become lethargic, swim near the water surface, develop clamped fins, hide in the corner of the tank or behind rocks, lose their appetite, shake their head, flash, or scratch. They may also express what looks like yawning.
Flukes are actually parasitic flatworms belonging to the class of Monogeans which causes the symptoms just mentioned.
While fairly easy to treat , it must be confirmed. Generally Formalin or Prazi Pro are good treatment IF the fish is confirmed with flukes.
You can take one of the fish displaying this behavior and give it a 5 minute freshwater dip the same temperature as display tank in a CLEAN preferably dark bucket. After the dip, return the fish to display tank and take a flashlight and look on bottom of bucket for what looks like sesame seeds or fish scales. If you can see that- theyre flukes.

Thanks for the input, I have tried praziquantel several times with no luck.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Thanks for the input, I have tried praziquantel several times with no luck.

if you can get Ruby Rally Pro which is reef safe, try that as it is a broad spectrum multi cure for bacterial disease, external parasites, marine velvet, clownfish disease, gill flukes, fin and tail rot and more.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

I been battling either Fluke , Neobenedenia or unknown parasite for 2 years in my 600 gallon tank. I used copper numerous of times , CP, praziquantel powder and hyposalinty several times.
When I use Hypo it seems to keep everything at bay (parasite) when I raise the salinity back it comes back in a few days. Hypo I did for 45 days and like I said as soon as salt back up problem came back. Fish are rubbing against stoners, eyes cloudy like it has salt on them (not ick), and rapid breathing which I have lost a few fish this month. even appetite some don't eat. Question is there any other medication out there that can be used on a resilient parasite\.

Any advice would be appreciated. I attached a pic of the latest causality had the fish for 2 years.,

Thanks for your time.

Hi Carl,

I know I've tried to help you in the past, but I don't recall all of the details. How low did you take the hyposalinity? Did I mention that there is a brackish water, egg laying fluke that is really tough to treat. Prazi won't break its life cycle and hypo won't kill it either. Public aquariums resort to trichlorfon, but that is really toxic to fish and humans.


Jay

 

[Carl Cardarelli]

Hi Carl,

I know I've tried to help you in the past, but I don't recall all of the details. How low did you take the hyposalinity? Did I mention that there is a brackish water, egg laying fluke that is really tough to treat. Prazi won't break its life cycle and hypo won't kill it either. Public aquariums resort to trichlorfon, but that is really toxic to fish and humans.


Jay

Is there anything I can use to keep it in check if I leave salinity low it seems to help what would you say is a safe low salinity to use for fish only. Last hypo was 30 days one before that roughly a month before was 44 days
Thanks again, Carl

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Is there anything I can use to keep it in check if I leave salinity low it seems to help what would you say is a safe low salinity to use for fish only. Last hypo was 30 days one before that roughly a month before was 44 days
Thanks again, Carl

Most fish can do pretty well at a specific gravity of 1.016 long term, but i don't know if that will be low enough to give the fish any relief. The standard hyposalinity of flukes is 1.012 and for ich, it is 1.009. I don't like leaving fish at those lower levels long term though.

Jay

 

[Carl Cardarelli]

Most fish can do pretty well at a specific gravity of 1.016 long term, but i don't know if that will be low enough to give the fish any relief. The standard hyposalinity of flukes is 1.012 and for ich, it is 1.009. I don't like leaving fish at those lower levels long term though.

Jay

So really there is nothing I can do?
Carl

 

[Carl Cardarelli]

So really there is nothing I can do?
Carl

Can you advise me what velvet looks like please, thanks Carl

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Can you advise me what velvet looks like please, thanks Carl

Velvet is pretty distinctive - rapid breathing, swimming into water currents, fish sometimes develop very tiny spots late in the infection. Death is pretty quick if not treated.
Jay

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

So really there is nothing I can do?
Carl

Well, I’m struggling to think of anything. What salinity did you use when your fish were in hypo?
Jay

 

[Carl Cardarelli]

Well, I’m struggling to think of anything. What salinity did you use when your fish were in hypo?
Jay

.10

 

[Carl Cardarelli]

Any idea what it is I’m at my wits

 

[Carl Cardarelli]

These were just taken and thank you for your time

 

[Carl Cardarelli]

Well, I’m struggling to think of anything. What salinity did you use when your fish were in hypo?
Jay

 

[Carl Cardarelli]

Velvet?

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Velvet?

If the fish are breathing fast, yes that could be velvet. Hypo will NOT treat velvet. The timing just seems off to me - velvet comes in, the fish go downhill and then die in a few days. I have never seen a chronic case of velvet that lingers for months like this.
Can you post a short video of some of the fish? I can judge the respiration rate that way.
Jay

 

[Carl Cardarelli]

If the fish are breathing fast, yes that could be velvet. Hypo will NOT treat velvet. The timing just seems off to me - velvet comes in, the fish go downhill and then die in a few days. I have never seen a chronic case of velvet that lingers for months like this.
Can you post a short video of some of the fish? I can judge the respiration rate that way.
Jay

Thanks I’ll video it when I get home around 2 today happy new year and thanks again

 

[Carl Cardarelli]

Here are the video could video other ones hiding behind rocks, Thanks