Help please possible velvet I

[Kylepope2020]

I have taken all the fish from their 250G tank and placed them into my QT tank before adding cupramine can anyone confirm this is velvet please my fuzzy dwarf lion also has cloudy eyes and yesterday I lost a porcupine puffer with cloudy eyes too

Tank has been running over 1yr no issues not added any fish for atleast 2 months maybe more recently put lights on the tank but that’s the only change I’ve done

 

[AydenLincoln]

I believe so but @Jay Hemdal and @vetteguy53081 are the best people to answer and help with this.

 

[vetteguy53081]

I have taken all the fish from their 250G tank and placed them into my QT tank before adding cupramine can anyone confirm this is velvet please my fuzzy dwarf lion also has cloudy eyes and yesterday I lost a porcupine puffer with cloudy eyes too

Tank has been running over 1yr no issues not added any fish for atleast 2 months maybe more recently put lights on the tank but that’s the only change I’ve done

Yes - appears to be velvet and its rare I see an engineer goby get velvet.
I see the fish appear to be in quarantine. The dwarf lion will not tolerate copper well. For the other fish, Not sure if you are treatimg/medicating tank with anything but you will want to use a copper-based medication. Although many remedies contain the general name as ich or ick treatments, read the box to be sure it targets Oodinium. My choice is coppersafe or copper power at 2.25-2.5 therapuetic level at 80 degrees for a FULL 30 days monitored by a reliable copper test kit such as Hanna Brand (no api brand). Assure the medication you use states treats Oodinum. With velvet, fish will scratch body against hard objects, lethargic behavior, Loss of appetite and weight loss, Rapid, labored breathing, Fins clamped against the body, and typically stay at the surface of the water

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

I can’t diagnose velvet without a video to check the respiration rates of the fish.
Velvet typically causes rapid breathing, lack of feeding, and hovering in water currents, followed closely by death. Advanced ich shows more skin lesions, and the fish don’t breath fast or stop eating for a few days, and then they say.

Either way, these fish need to get into a full copper treatment ASAP!

Jay

 

[Kylepope2020]

Yes - appears to be velvet and its rare I see an engineer goby get velvet.
I see the fish appear to be in quarantine. The dwarf lion will not tolerate copper well. For the other fish, Not sure if you are treatimg/medicating tank with anything but you will want to use a copper-based medication. Although many remedies contain the general name as ich or ick treatments, read the box to be sure it targets Oodinium. My choice is coppersafe or copper power at 2.25-2.5 therapuetic level at 80 degrees for a FULL 30 days monitored by a reliable copper test kit such as Hanna Brand (no api brand). Assure the medication you use states treats Oodinum. With velvet, fish will scratch body against hard objects, lethargic behavior, Loss of appetite and weight loss, Rapid, labored breathing, Fins clamped against the body, and typically stay at the surface of the water

Thanks so much yes they have all of these symptoms that’s the same way my puffer died last night so decided it was time to pull them all out and into the QT tank but just wanted to double check my suspicions before adding any copper based treatments, I have added a small amount of cuprazin a treatment available in the uk for it

 

[vetteguy53081]

Thanks so much yes they have all of these symptoms that’s the same way my puffer died last night so decided it was time to pull them all out and into the QT tank but just wanted to double check my suspicions before adding any copper based treatments, I have added a small amount of cuprazin a treatment available in the uk for it

For cuprazin which is a form of cupramine- the treatment level will be 0.5 and make sure you are measuring level with test kit so you dont overdose which will not end well

 

[Kylepope2020]

For cuprazin which is a form of cupramine- the treatment level will be 0.5 and make sure you are measuring level with test kit so you dont overdose which will not end well

Waiting for my Hanna solutions for the copper checker to come tomorrow so have put like 20% of recommended dose for the water volume just to provide some relief this is 3hrs later he seems to have calmed down a lot and is swimming a lot better

 

[vetteguy53081]

Waiting for my Hanna solutions for the copper checker to come tomorrow so have put like 20% of recommended dose for the water volume just to provide some relief this is 3hrs later he seems to have calmed down a lot and is swimming a lot better

I get it but better safe than sorry. Typical will be as it's cuprion which then reduces dosage to 1 drop per gallon at therapuetic level .20 . . . . NOT .5 as this is not cupramine. I now realize this is a waterlife product and this stuff is strong

 

[Kylepope2020]

I get it but better safe than sorry. Typical will be as it's cuprion which then reduces dosage to 1 drop per gallon at therapuetic level .20 . . . . NOT .5 as this is not cupramine. I now realize this is a waterlife product and this stuff is strong

Yes my LFS that I’ve always gone to explained to me how concentrated this stuff is basically they’re in a 150L QT and the recommended dosage for this volume, with this product is 5ml.

So far I have dosed 1.5ml just to provide relief until I can accurately measure the level hopefully starting the process properly tomorrow or Friday worst case

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Yes my LFS that I’ve always gone to explained to me how concentrated this stuff is basically they’re in a 150L QT and the recommended dosage for this volume, with this product is 5ml.

So far I have dosed 1.5ml just to provide relief until I can accurately measure the level hopefully starting the process properly tomorrow or Friday worst case

Cuprion is an ionic copper/citric acid product and requires daily testing and partial re-dosing to maintain a dose of between 0.18 and 0.22 ppm. It cannot be used in aquariums with any sort of calcareous material. I used ionic copper/citric acid for decades before giving it up as too difficult to manage. Their instructions even indicate that it is a "professional product". I switched back to using Coppersafe as it is much less toxic to fish.

Jay