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Hello everyone.

I've just got a seneye, I was going to rent an apogee but after reading reviews they seem to be about the same and I get to keep the seneye.

Can anyone tell me what I'm doing please.
I am getting readings of 200-350
The seneye app has a spectom box should my black line match the one in the box ?
Sorry I have no idea what I'm doing
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Going to get this moved to the Lighting forum so u can get more specific eyes on it and get some answers for ya.
 
So to my understanding the par # is the measure of light intensity so in 200-300 par is where most people would put SPS coral the spectrum graph is the range in colors you’re getting at that point where the sensor is, there’s a specific spectrum reef hobbyists try to hit in order to maximize photosynthesis that’s what you’re seeing the black line is the “ideal “ spectrum and the color is what you have in comparison
 
But I haven’t used the seneye too much that’s just what I take from the one I have used
 
Ok I have very little understand of what I'm doing sorry,
The black line I can't get the red spectrum to match as all? But from what I understand that isn't a problem in a reef tank ?

What's the maximum PAR I should be looking at I have some hotspots of 450-500
 
What light are you using ? So usually you take spectrum measurements in still water no pumps then you will see what spectrum your lights are putting out, surface agitation scatters light and affects par and spectrum so that’s why your readings aren’t matching the graph it’s not that big a deal as long as your corals are healthy and happy imho...
 
Par depends on the coral so what corals are you planning to keep? And what depth are you measuring at? What’s your light mounting height?
 
Your black line represents Pur, which is the Photosynthetic Usable Radiation. What it is saying is that your light is biased more towards the Blue spectrum.

In the top right hand corner you will find a value in the PUR box in percentage. This will vary depending on a lot of different factors, from the different intensity of the lights you might be using, how deep in the water you are measuring, the turbidity on the surface, and others that I'm not aware of. But it is a way to gauge how much light in percentage can be used by your corals.

Hope this helps.

P.S. I have and sometimes still do not know what I'm doing, ;Woot until I learn something new. You are doing good, you asked.
 
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Ok I have the pumps running, as I fort that was going to give the actual reading as my pumps are always running so the par received is going to be that number ?

The light is a reefbreeders photon (evergrow IT5012) it's 13 inches off the water ( maximum I can get out of the legs )

I'm trying to keep SPS mainly, I have had some issues with corals, my parameters are fine and stable so I was checking the light to see if that's the issue.

The PUR is 78%
 
Ok I have the pumps running, as I fort that was going to give the actual reading as my pumps are always running so the par received is going to be that number ?

The light is a reefbreeders photon (evergrow IT5012) it's 13 inches off the water ( maximum I can get out of the legs )

I'm trying to keep SPS mainly, I have had some issues with corals, my parameters are fine and stable so I was checking the light to see if that's the issue.

The PUR is 78%

I'm not an SPS expert and the amount of light that they need, but I know you want to be above 200 if not 250 PAR, some SPS like it up to 400. Your PUR at 78 is good, and measuring PAR while the system is running will give much better results.

Every light has different characteristics of spread, along with the tank, how much light gets reflected back, how much spills out of the tank, if the lights have diffusers, or LED lights have lenses to focus. From a lot of BulkReefSupply videos I have watched on lighting, you will find a variety of different light patterns. Some light issues are solved with raising light, other lowering, changing intensity. Then again you might have to move corals to suit their lighting needs, if the light itself is not movable.

Measure your tank with the light meter, at different location around the tank, and at different depths, and keep this as a record for future use, then find the needs of the SPS that you have, and figure out which variable can be changed to achieve your goal.

Sorry I do not have much else to offer, but I have found over the years that slowly changing things is the best way to proceed, which I mean weeks if not months, following a plan that has a destination to an end result.

By the way, there is a thread on here about a reefer wanting to quit after two years or little growth, but it seems that his light and maybe flow where causing some issues.

Research your SPS's you have and their light needs, measure the tank's PAR at different locations and depths, and place appropriately, might be a good start.

Best of luck.
 
As previously mentioned yes running your system normally and getting readings will give you an accurate view of what you want to put in that area... I suggest as previously stated make a map at different depths and at different points where you want to mount corals anything over 200 can be where you put your sps and under that value is where you can keep lps and softies mushrooms and some soft coral typically under 100 or ish it depends so do some reasearch... I have one AI hydra 26 over my 50 gallon I keep my bounce mushrooms off to the sides I’m visibly shady areas so it depends some people give them more light... I give my zoas depending on the species a lot of light some are dead center under the lights.. just remember to acclimate the corals to the light source... Other than that if you find the light to be too harsh add a diffuser to soften and blend the light better it reduces PAR a little and can help with hotspots
 
Thanks, I'll keep the pumps running and map out the tank.
I'll aim for 200-300 PAR in as much of the tank as possible. What would be the maximum level to watch out for I have an area in the tank of about 500 it is only in one spot
 
I’m personally not sure I believe some things provided enough flow can grow in 500 par but don’t quote me on it you may have to look it up I’m not too into SPS mainly do zoanthids and softies with Montipora and random stuff thrown in
 
I've noticed some zoa seem to like more intense light than others.
I'll look into what I have and what they need.
I'll do a map and post it tomorrow
 
Yeah it depends on the zoanthid some I have in pretty crazy 250 par some can’t tolerate it so I have them in 50 par it varies, zoanthids are the easiest to keep but if you want to keep their bright colors it can be a mission lol
 
I have a completely mixed reef. All major coral family genres covered pretty much.

I run 330 par at the top of my scape where i grow basic sticks and sps, nothing fancy.. LPS and euphyllia at 150. And zoas, shrooms, leather etc at 80-110.

Pur matters as much, if not mpre than Par, imho.

Every coral is gonna have a happy place, find it before u glue them down and feel them out.

Gl
 
Thanks all,

Can I just double check some things before I start please,
Leave wave pumps running while testing PAR.
Have the lights set at the maximum peak, should I be looking at the ram up/down levels
 
To give a more accurate reading, run the pumps. If the readings are very erratic, then you might have to reduce the pump speed or turn off.

Lights set to peak level. Ramping up and down PAR values I don't think have any value.

Best of luck.
 
Photosynthesis is just one of the many functions that light has for coral. PAR is a human-eye visible reading for just that purpose, but not the others. PAR won't help you at all with color rendering, reflection nor other things.

It is better than nothing, but also not everything. Use it as a swag.
 

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