Help with Emperor angelfish

herpinsaquarium · Mar 10, 2021

Hi
Today I noticed a line on my emperor. Is it something I should be worried about?

Jay Hemdal · Mar 10, 2021

That appears to be the start of head and lateral line erosion around the fish's head, combined with a prominent lateral line (which may be the same issue, but could be a bacterial infection - especially if is showed up in 24 hours).

Here is an article I posted here regarding HLLE:

Head and Lateral Line Erosion (HLLE)

This article discusses studies performed regarding head and lateral line erosion in captive fishes. Specifically, carbon use and nutrition as they relate to this syndrome.

www.reef2reef.com

Jay

herpinsaquarium · Mar 10, 2021

Jay Hemdal said:
That appears to be the start of head and lateral line erosion around the fish's head, combined with a prominent lateral line (which may be the same issue, but could be a bacterial infection - especially if is showed up in 24 hours).

Here is an article I posted here regarding HLLE:

Head and Lateral Line Erosion (HLLE)

This article discusses studies performed regarding head and lateral line erosion in captive fishes. Specifically, carbon use and nutrition as they relate to this syndrome.

www.reef2reef.com

Jay

Any ideas how to treat?
My water quality is good (low nitrates/phosphate and acroporas thriving)
I don't run carbon
I feed 1/2 sheet of nori once a day, 3 blocks of mysis and 1 block of artemis, + 4 times per day NLS pellets via autofeeder.
The only aggressive member in my tank is my male clownfish.

40g Nano · Mar 10, 2021

herpinsaquarium said:
Any ideas how to treat?
My water quality is good (low nitrates/phosphate and acroporas thriving)
I don't run carbon
I feed 1/2 sheet of nori once a day, 3 blocks of mysis and 1 block of artemis, + 4 times per day NLS pellets via autofeeder.
The only aggressive member in my tank is my male clownfish.

Takes a long time from what I’ve read, and the fish may be left with scars

Jay Hemdal · Mar 10, 2021

You need to determine how fast this developed. If overnight , you should consider it might be a bacterial infection. If it developed over a week or more, then it is HLLE.
Jay

herpinsaquarium · Mar 10, 2021

Jay Hemdal said:
You need to determine how fast this developed. If overnight , you should consider it might be a bacterial infection. If it developed over a week or more, then it is HLLE.
Jay

I have seen the scars for quite some time 1-2 months maybe, but always assumed it was either part of the transformation or he had been aggressed by my purple tang or my hippo tang. But since the typical new arrival aggression stopped, all other wounds healed except the head, as for the lateral line, i'm not sure since when it's showing

vetteguy53081 · Mar 10, 2021

You say parameters are good. Can you be more specific with actual numbers for each?
Also - what test kits are you using ?
For diet:
Add ......
LRS herbivore diet
Spirulina brine shrimp
Small plankton
Hikari angel formula
Hikari veggie diet

baste the nori with garlic extract

ADD SELCON VITAMINS AND GARLIC TO THE FOODS DAILY FOR BOTH OVERALL STAMINA AND IMMUNITY HEALTH

herpinsaquarium · Mar 10, 2021

vetteguy53081 said:
You say parameters are good. Can you be more specific with actual numbers for each?
Also - what test kits are you using ?
For diet:
Add ......
LRS herbivore diet
Spirulina brine shrimp
Small plankton
Hikari angel formula
Hikari veggie diet

baste the nori with garlic extract

ADD SELCON VITAMINS AND GARLIC TO THE FOODS DAILY FOR BOTH OVERALL STAMINA AND IMMUNITY HEALTH

Alk: 8.736 ~ 156 (Hannah checker)
Ca: 400 (Red Sea)
Mg: 1520 (Red Sea)
PO4: 0.1 ppm (Hannah checker)
N02: 4 (Hannah checker)
NO3: 1-2 ppm (Red Sea)
K:416 (Salifert)
NH3:0 (Red Sea)
Fe: 0.05 (Red Sea)
I_2: 0.06 (Red Sea)

I feed every day:
1/2 sheet of Ocean Nutrition Green Marine Algae with natural garlic extract.
New Life Spectrum marine formula (1mm) 4x per day (via autofeeder)
New Life Spectrum algeamax (2mm) 4x per day (via autofeeder)
New Life Spectrum thera+a (2mm) 4x per day (via autofeeder)
2x Ocean Nutrition Mysis (soacked 20min Aquaforest fish V and garlic oil)
1x Ocean Nutrition Artemia Brine Shrimps (soacked 20min Aquaforest fish V and garlic oil)
1x Ocean Nutrition invertebrate food
1x Ocean Nutrition microplankton (soacked 20min Aquaforest fish V and garlic oil)
1x Ocean Nutrition rotifers (soacked 20min Aquaforest fish V and garlic oil)

jorwill · Mar 10, 2021

It is usually due to food, mainly not the right food. What exactly are you feeding it? Nori should be a part of it's diet every 3-4 days.

herpinsaquarium · Mar 10, 2021

jorwill said:
It is usually due to food, mainly not the right food. What exactly are you feeding it? Nori should be a part of it's diet every 3-4 days.

I posted everything I feed daily in the post above

jorwill · Mar 10, 2021

Looking at your food, most is dried? Should really switch to frozen stuff.

jorwill · Mar 10, 2021

herpinsaquarium said:
I posted everything I feed daily in the post above

Ya I barely missed it when you posted and when i posted.

herpinsaquarium · Mar 10, 2021

jorwill said:
Looking at your food, most is dried? Should really switch to frozen stuff.

Why is that?

herpinsaquarium · Mar 10, 2021

herpinsaquarium said:
Why is that?

Just asking

jorwill · Mar 10, 2021

I buy like 10 different frozen products, let them thaw, then mix them all together and make new cubes. I also add some garlic powder during the mixing.

jorwill · Mar 10, 2021

herpinsaquarium said:
Why is that?

Lack of nutrients from my understanding.

herpinsaquarium · Mar 10, 2021

jorwill said:
Lack of nutrients from my understanding.

From what I have understood dried food is more nutrient dense than frozen

jorwill · Mar 10, 2021

herpinsaquarium said:
From what I have understood dried food is more nutrient dense than frozen

I dunno I compare it to human food, you aren't eating biscuits all day long are you? Some nice meat crackers. Fresh/frozen is always better. Baked stuff is known to be missing things. Lots of fillers in things with minimal items with actual nutrients. Look at dog food. You have to read the entire label to figure out what's in it with 10% being an actual meat sometimes.

herpinsaquarium · Mar 10, 2021

jorwill said:
I dunno I compare it to human food, you aren't eating biscuits all day long are you? Some nice meat crackers. Fresh/frozen is always better. Baked stuff is known to be missing things. Lots of fillers in things with minimal items with actual nutrients. Look at dog food. You have to read the entire label to figure out what's in it with 10% being an actual meat sometimes.

I will look into that more carefully. Thanks for your help

jorwill · Mar 10, 2021

Frozen vs dried flakes. If I place both in the tank at the same time they won’t even touch the flakes until the frozen is gone. I mainly use flakes for phosphates.