Help with Royal Gramma

[Poisns1]

Newer FO tank about 10 months old. 1 Firefish and 1 Royal Gramma in tank. Royal Gramma was the first fish introduced and was doing well for about the past 4 months but is now darting rapidly and scraping against sand and rock. Something definitely bothering him.

I don't have a quarantine tank so neither had that. Just acclimated them from the local fish store. The Firefish was added about 3 weeks and eating and behaving fine.

If I can catch the Royal Gramma, would doing a fresh water bath be worthwhile?

 

[Mjrenz]

Newer FO tank about 10 months old. 1 Firefish and 1 Royal Gramma in tank. Royal Gramma was the first fish introduced and was doing well for about the past 4 months but is now darting rapidly and scraping against sand and rock. Something definitely bothering him.

I don't have a quarantine tank so neither had that. Just acclimated them from the local fish store. The Firefish was added about 3 weeks and eating and behaving fine.

If I can catch the Royal Gramma, would doing a fresh water bath be worthwhile?

A freshwater dip wouldn’t be a bad idea to check for flukes. I can’t get the video to load, does he have any white spots on him?

Freshwater Dip

Freshwater Dip What It Treats – Provides temporary relief for a wide range of diseases: 1) Marine Velvet Disease (Amyloodinium ocellatum) 2) Brooklynella hostilis 3) Uronema marinum 4) Flukes (Monogeneans) 5) Black Ich (Turbellarians) Can be used to confirm the presence of Flukes (see video...

www.reef2reef.com

 

[Poisns1]

I can't see any white spots so pretty sure not ich.

Never done a fresh water dip. RO water I'm guessing and have to make sure it's same temp. Anything else and how long to dip?

 

[Mjrenz]

I can't see any white spots so pretty sure not ich.

Never done a fresh water dip. RO water I'm guessing and have to make sure it's same temp. Anything else and how long to dip?

No more than 5 minutes in the freshwater dip. The link I included above has detailed instructions on how to do it

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Newer FO tank about 10 months old. 1 Firefish and 1 Royal Gramma in tank. Royal Gramma was the first fish introduced and was doing well for about the past 4 months but is now darting rapidly and scraping against sand and rock. Something definitely bothering him.

I don't have a quarantine tank so neither had that. Just acclimated them from the local fish store. The Firefish was added about 3 weeks and eating and behaving fine.

If I can catch the Royal Gramma, would doing a fresh water bath be worthwhile?

I wouldn't do a FW dip - it is probably gill flukes and those are going to be too small to see in a dip unless you have a microscope. The FW dip won't cure the fish, and catching a gramma is pretty tough to do without hurting it.

What I would do is dose the tank 2x with Prazipro, about 10 days apart. You would need to remove carbon filtration, remove your skimmer cup (but keep the skimmer running) and then add an air stone to the tank during treatment.

Jay

 

[Poisns1]

Thanks for the suggestions guys!

 

[ChaosAquaculture]

If you flash a light on him does he have a fold/silvery look? Sounds kind of like marine velvet - kali

 

[Poisns1]

If you flash a light on him does he have a fold/silvery look? Sounds kind of like marine velvet - kali

He definitely doesn't look as vibrant as when I first brought him home; colors are faded. His rear fins look cloudy instead of clear. Not sure what this is indicating?

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

He definitely doesn't look as vibrant as when I first brought him home; colors are faded. His rear fins look cloudy instead of clear. Not sure what this is indicating?

Velvet, Amyloodinium usually causes rapid breathing as a first symptom, followed quickly by death (usually in 48 hours). If the fish is still feeding, it definitely isn't velvet. Flukes and bacteria both can cause cloudy fins.

Jay

 

[Poisns1]

Jay is there another medication that would cover the flukes AMD Bacteria if that is what's causing the clouded fins and body?

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Jay is there another medication that would cover the flukes AMD Bacteria if that is what's causing the clouded fins and body?

Sorry, no. The medications are different for the two issues. Any change in the fish's condition? If it is about the same, I'd say the issues is more likely to be flukes. A bacterial problem would have either gotten worse or better on its own since Friday when you first posted.

Flukes can cause cloudy skin, and they can also cause secondary bacterial infections.
Jay

 

[Poisns1]

Sorry, no. The medications are different for the two issues. Any change in the fish's condition? If it is about the same, I'd say the issues is more likely to be flukes. A bacterial problem would have either gotten worse or better on its own since Friday when you first posted.

Flukes can cause cloudy skin, and they can also cause secondary bacterial infections.
Jay

Thanks Jay. Order the Prazi and initial dose went in yesterday. As suggested, left skimmer on but took cup off. Skimmer going nuts and tons of micro bubbles in tank.

Will the bubbles subside after several days? I have set a reminder to do a 2nd dose at the 10 day interval. Anything else I need to do right now?

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Thanks Jay. Order the Prazi and initial dose went in yesterday. As suggested, left skimmer on but took cup off. Skimmer going nuts and tons of micro bubbles in tank.

Will the bubbles subside after several days? I have set a reminder to do a 2nd dose at the 10 day interval. Anything else I need to do right now?

The bubbles will subside, but you can probably turn the air injection on the skimmer down a bit during the treatment. Just observe the fish closely for any changes, then treat the second time in 10 days.
Jay

 

[Poisns1]

The bubbles will subside, but you can probably turn the air injection on the skimmer down a bit during the treatment. Just observe the fish closely for any changes, then treat the second time in 20 days.
Jay

Jay just a couple more ?s please:

1) Do I put the skimmer cup back on at some point prior to the 2nd dose in 20 days?

YOUR QUOTE: What I would do is dose the tank 2x with Prazipro, about 10 days apart.
2) Earlier in the thread you mentioned 2 doses 10 days apart. I'm confused. Do I add 2nd dose in the next 10 days or do I wait for 20 days?

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Jay just a couple more ?s please:

1) Do I put the skimmer cup back on at some point prior to the 2nd dose in 20 days?

YOUR QUOTE: What I would do is dose the tank 2x with Prazipro, about 10 days apart.
2) Earlier in the thread you mentioned 2 doses 10 days apart. I'm confused. Do I add 2nd dose in the next 10 days or do I wait for 20 days?

Darn! I hate typos on my phone! That 20 days should read 10 days - sorry!

one dose, wait ten days (do a 25% water change if you can) dose again, then about 3 days after that, put the skimmer cup back on.

Jay

 

[Poisns1]

Darn! I hate typos on my phone! That 20 days should read 10 days - sorry!

one dose, wait ten days (do a 25% water change if you can) dose again, then about 3 days after that, put the skimmer cup back on.

Jay

Got it. Thanks!

 

[chipchipbro]

@Poisns1 WHat was the outcome of the Prazi treatment?
I seem to have the same issue as you did with my 2 royal grammas my wife put in the tank....... (dont worry she wont do that again - I was kinda clear)

 

[Poisns1]

Hey Jay the Firefish and Gramma are still flashing at Day #9. Is that normal or should the flashing should have ceased by now?

 

[chipchipbro]

@Jay Hemdal If a fish dies because of flukes, does that mean flukes will survive and like attach to another fish? Or how does that work with flukes? My royal gramma scratches more with each day and I do not have much hope…

 

[Poisns1]

Darn! I hate typos on my phone! That 20 days should read 10 days - sorry!

one dose, wait ten days (do a 25% water change if you can) dose again, then about 3 days after that, put the skimmer cup back on.

Jay

Adding the quote so Jay see's my reply:

Hey Jay the Firefish and Gramma are still flashing at Day #9. Is that normal or should the flashing should have ceased by now?