Help with setting up ATO from garage!!

[moz71]

I have read several threads on this already but want to ensure I am thinking correctly!!. Let me know where I may be going wrong!! So Iam tired of filling by 3 gallon container in my sump area as I am evaporating almost 2 gallons a day. My plan is to run the white quarter inch RODI tubing from my 55 gallon barrel in my garage to the tank via running the line into crawlspace under house and then up though wall or floor though back of tank and into cabinet. I want to control everything from in the cabinet so I plan on using a peristaltic pump (Probably BRS 50ml per minute) to pull water from the barrel 1)Is this strong enough to do as it will travel about 70 feet and most 3 or 4 feet head (up)? The line will run down then up but the final place will only be a 3feet (Most) above water level in garage. I am think of just using the JBJ auto controller ( have already) but thinking the Tunze since it has better safety features but can I use that in this situation as unfamiliar with this controller? Any advise please?

 

[vetteguy53081]

I have read several threads on this already but want to ensure I am thinking correctly!!. Let me know where I may be going wrong!! So Iam tired of filling by 3 gallon container in my sump area as I am evaporating almost 2 gallons a day. My plan is to run the white quarter inch RODI tubing from my 55 gallon barrel in my garage to the tank via running the line into crawlspace under house and then up though wall or floor though back of tank and into cabinet. I want to control everything from in the cabinet so I plan on using a peristaltic pump (Probably BRS 50ml per minute) to pull water from the barrel 1)Is this strong enough to do as it will travel about 70 feet and most 3 or 4 feet head (up)? The line will run down then up but the final place will only be a 3feet (Most) above water level in garage. I am think of just using the JBJ auto controller ( have already) but thinking the Tunze since it has better safety features but can I use that in this situation as unfamiliar with this controller? Any advise please?

Assure the pump is strong enough to move the water a good distance.
Sicce 1.5 or 2.0 should handle this

 

[SashimiTurtle]

I would run a peristaltic pump like the BRS dosers... the large one. They do much better pumping long distances and higher head pressures than a centrifugal pump would.

Edit: Just finished reading all the way. Yes the BRS 50ml/minute should worm just fine. I plan on using them for AWC from my garage until GHL comes out with their new maxi doser.

 

[kabal2]

make sure to used as well a float valve in case the pump fails for some reason

 

[moz71]

I would run a peristaltic pump like the BRS dosers... the large one. They do much better pumping long distances and higher head pressures than a centrifugal pump would.

Edit: Just finished reading all the way. Yes the BRS 50ml/minute should worm just fine. I plan on using them for AWC from my garage until GHL comes out with their new maxi doser.

make sure to used as well a float valve in case the pump fails for some reason

THank you and about the float valve. I am assuming the float valve you mention is the one where the float mechanically closes the water coming from1/4 inch tubing. But would that apply enough pressure to stop if the BRS pump continues to run? Not sure if I am explaining correctly! So on my JBJ controller their is the float SWTICH that sends the signal if low or high (on/off) but i had this get stuck in up or down position and was thinking of having the second float VALVE where it would mechanically stop the flow but I think the pump would still keep running and would that be enough pressure to stop the flow? Other than that only thing to do is have another float switch just in case somehow? hope i am explaining ok

 

[A;exr54]

I have my RODI fill directly into my refugium, using an auto top off and a zone valve.

 

[Aquajamin]

You definitely want two methods to turn the water off. The mechanical float at the refugium will serve as a fail-safe. The float level switches and electric valves will both fail at some point.

 

[moz71]

Alright as we speak in middle of running line from garage under house in crawl space and up though living room floor. (Btw my wife is away this weekend so best time to do it! You married guys know what I mean). So far all good! Quadruple checked measurements and coming up through floor within an 1/2 inch of target. So mostly hard part over. This better work. Lol

 

[mav3rick478]

Hey babe, what did you do all weekend?

Nothing, watch TV and do some yard work.

 

[moz71]

Hey babe, what did you do all weekend?

Nothing, watch TV and do some yard work.

All done, she won’t even see the hole I drilled through the floor. I have it deep behind tank. Lol.

 

[kabal2]

All done, she won’t even see the hole I drilled through the floor. I have it deep behind tank. Lol.

too bad we can't ask for pictures

 

[jolt]

I used the avast marine ato and pump for this. Draws water at least 80 feet no issues.

 

[PanhandleReef]

I do the same thing filling a 5 gallon ATO reservoir behind my stand from a 65 gallon tank in the garage. I was using a PMUP for this and it worked great; however, the PMUP has recently failed after 3 months use. I have been trying to find a more robust solution and have a BRS 50ml doser on hand, but thought it would be way too slow. Looking at less than a gallon an hour and I remember reading they aren't meant to be run a long period of time continuously. How is this working out for you?

 

[PigFarmer]

You could also run 1 of these pump setups... I had this baby pumping 2 stories into the air then 100ft over thru my shop and into a elevated ATO container located in the tank room that gravity drains to the tanks... Pressure switch shuts it off. Controlled by a simple timer to fill for 1hr everyother day so the pump isn't constantly wanting to kick on/off

 

[moz71]

I do the same thing filling a 5 gallon ATO reservoir behind my stand from a 65 gallon tank in the garage. I was using a PMUP for this and it worked great; however, the PMUP has recently failed after 3 months use. I have been trying to find a more robust solution and have a BRS 50ml doser on hand, but thought it would be way too slow. Looking at less than a gallon an hour and I remember reading they aren't meant to be run a long period of time continuously. How is this working out for you?

I have been watching the rate of delivery. It has been working fine but I would say a I wish it was more like a 100 ml per minute pump. I currently evaporate about 1.75 to 2 gallons per 24 hours. And this this pump is clicking on every several minutes hooked up to my JBJ ATO. I did turn up the timer to the full 14 minutes on the JBJ. I did this because although it is filling and working just fine I am afraid if I lost power for a time for more than 2 hours the timer would shut it off before being fully filled when power is restored. Besides that all good. I am currently thinking though all possible scenarios. And this is the only scenario that has greatest risk right now for me if I go on a vacation for a bit. But while I am home it is more than fine.

 

[moz71]

too bad we can't ask for pictures

Best I can do is here is a picture inside my sump. Got the 50 ml to the right you can see line coming in the back to the pump. Then pump to an float valve for the mechanical emergency stop and have the JBJ set up on the a mode with the alternate high level shut off so I believe I have like three redundancies for protection against overflow. As mentioned before I just worry with this set up if lose power I might not have enough flow before timer shut off. I am planning an option for that.

 

[moz71]

I am also thinking of connected directly to my RODI as someone mentioned and use float valve to stop. This would solve the underflow problem but have a hard time trusting a endless water supply in case of valve failure

 

[PanhandleReef]

I had considered that, but I don't like the TDS creep when it initially kicks on, or the continuous supply of water. Right now I have optical sensors, float valve, leak detector, and max run time so the pump doesn't run too long. It's all done through Apex and I feel confident I won't have a problem with reservoir running over. The container filled up around ever 4 days and takes about 25 minutes.

I have been looking at beer or marine fluid transfer diaphragm pumps and they seem to be good for application. For my use I need to find one that is self priming and the ability to have a standard plug.

I am looking at the Avast one recommended a few post again and I think I may give that a try. The 20 min max run time should be adequate for their flow rate.

 

[RonS]

You could also run 1 of these pump setups... I had this baby pumping 2 stories into the air then 100ft over thru my shop and into a elevated ATO container located in the tank room that gravity drains to the tanks... Pressure switch shuts it off. Controlled by a simple timer to fill for 1hr everyother day so the pump isn't constantly wanting to kick on/off

Link for that setup?

 

[PigFarmer]

Link for that setup?