here i go again. LOL

[beaslbob]

Yeppers it's happening again. :xd:

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[TD="class: alt2"]Originally Posted by beaslbob You might want to look up a newcommer's thread by poste Amir on aquarium forum. Look on the second page and read what happened to thier first fish after addin anacharis.

If you can find that thread all you concerns should be answered.

they later started a thread titled something like my beaslbob build which also coined the phase beaslbob build. lol

I'll post some photobucket stuff.
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Mr beaslbob,

I think you have misconstrued my request.

I am personally not looking for you to validate your fishkeeping experience. Nor do I personally need to see pictures or videos of your tank.

There has been a lot of discussion lately about your controversial methods and a lot of reports have come across directing me to threads in which you solicit your advice to newbies. People here on the forum are concerned that your advice can hinder the newcomer, and cause them to fail. Whether or not this is the case is not important. Whether or not people fail using does not concern us.

The fact is that the most tried and true way to keep fish is the "cycling method" (we'll call it). Granted it takes more work, requires more up front out-of-pocket expense and a little more patience, it has been tested and succeeded for years. The methods we promote here are true beginner methods and I can guarantee them to work if done correctly.

What you preach here is considered an "advanced" method. The beauty of it is that it can be done after the tank has been established and the fishkeeper has a little more "experience" in the art of the aquarium. From what I have read of your method, it does not need to be set up like this from day one and can essentially be implemented at any time during the life of the aquarium.

I am asking you again, please stick to the Advanced Discussion areas if you must promote your method. If you absolutely must post in the "Beginner" areas, please do not mention your method. Discuss the cycle, water changes, testing and dosing. I am sure you remember enough about these topics to engage in proper conversation about them.

There has been chatter among members, other moderators and reference team members about you and your methods. I am here asking you to please respect our wishes to stay in the Advanced areas. I don't want to see you become a nuisance to our reference and moderating teams, essentially having to follow you around and either move your posts or discount your methods so beginners are not swayed completely in your direction without learning the facts of both methods first...

If a beginner wants to use a more Advanced method to start, then you are more than welcome to solicit your advice in the Advanced area to them. Be my guest because that is at their own risk. But for true beginners, we here at TFK like to keep things basic and safe. Please respect that.

Again, I am not trying to run you off our forum, I am just expressing a common complaint I hear come up about you and your methods.

see thread: the beaslbob build

meanwhile a newbie is still testing positive for ammonia and had a very low ph and some nitrItes after 6 weeks of "cycling" :wink:

 

[Reefing Madness]

Wrong place to go for giving Advanced info there bro. They couldn't hit their butts with both hands, if even given a map for it. I ran into the same issue with them. They don't want to hear how to fix it the correct way, they want to hear how its been done over and over and over again, using their methods.

 

[beaslbob]

Wrong place to go for giving Advanced info there bro. They couldn't hit their butts with both hands, if even given a map for it. I ran into the same issue with them. They don't want to hear how to fix it the correct way, they want to hear how its been done over and over and over again, using their methods.

LOL

How about that. "my" advice is advanced. LOL

 

[Reefing Madness]

For those guys, as much as it hurts me to say, yup, yours is way to advanced for those people. Thats why their advanced water guy andna few other mods bailed out. The others cant deal with change.

 

[markkazdad]

What's the advanced part? Using real plants instead of plastic? It seems to me like everything between your "setup" and "upkeep" is the cycling they speak of as a beginner technique.

 

[beaslbob]

What's the advanced part? Using real plants instead of plastic? It seems to me like everything between your "setup" and "upkeep" is the cycling they speak of as a beginner technique.

I have no idea. LOL.

All I know is it works.

I think they think water changes are the only way to control nitrates for instance.

 

[beaslbob]

Thanks all.

they have now requested I limit my advice to the advanced section. LOL

Meanwhile they call my rock solid equation:

before water change=(amount in replacement water)+[( change between water changes)/(fraction of water changed)]

As voodoo mathmetics where I need to come up to their level. LOL

And the idea of sodium thiosulfide reducing oxygen with sulfur is totally dismissed.

Meanwhile a newbie FW has been running a tank for 2 months, still has nitrItes, and now the fish have ich so they raised the temperature. Gee wonder when all the fish could die off?

Just venting FWIW.

my .02

 

[markkazdad]

Here's a beginner discussion from an Alabama aquarium facebook group. Names obfuscated because I'm not trying to call anyone out, but rather, illustrate real world beginner methods. The beginner admitted being a beginner, asked lots of questions, got some advice, including to research the nitrogen cycle, be patient, use Prime, etc.

FWIW.

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Aquarist #1: Well guys I got my tank set up tonight and I also got a beautiful wire stand with the help of the wonderful Aquarist #3, going to go buy I bottle of stress coat tomorrow, put some in there and let it set till next Monday or Tuesday, then I will add fish! Will post more pictures when I add them. So glad that I can call myself a member of this page!

Aquarist #2: You need a couple cheap fish to start your bacteria

Aquarist #1: I figured is to buy a few gold fish or something, would that work?

Aquarist #2: That is fine. Nothing extravagant. Just in case you lose a couple. No major costs.

Aquarist #1: Okay, I'll either get gold fish or the cheapest fish I can find.

Aquarist #1: Are sucker fish aggressive? Though about adding one once algae builds up a little, that or a snail.

Aquarist #1: This is the biggest tank I have ever had and I am so happy with it. It's just the size I needed and wanted I absolutely love it

Aquarist #2: Feeder fish would work as well. Anything that poops and puts off oils and such. Not at all. Just swim around eating algae and such.

Aquarist #2: That's awesome. I have a 75 gallon

Aquarist #1: How many feeder fish should I put in? I know they are tiny so I figured I would put a good many feeders in here. And that's great I will definitely be adding one!!

Aquarist #2: How big is the tank and what are u wanting to put in once the cycling is done

Aquarist #1: And if I do well with this one I will definitely be getting a bigger one in the future! Even though the tank is empty I am sitting here in the dark looking at it and it is relaxing me so much.

Aquarist #1: It's only a 29 gallon and I'm not sure I know I was a couple of cichlids and other than that I don't know about any other fish or what I should put in lol. What do you think I should put in?

Aquarist #2: Just remember general rule of thumb is 1 inch per gallon. So if you put in 9 fish that get approx 3". That would fill your tank. I have a variety of African cichlids. They are pretty easy to care for. And it's according to what you want to do with the tank. Lots of fresh water options. I really like my cichlids. Just depends on the person

Aquarist #1: I think I might do the cichlids, a medium sized sucker fish, and a few other fish, pretty much I will do the most colorful, non-aggressive fish that I see at fish net

Aquarist #2: Lol. Just remember most cichlid are aggressive. Will eat smaller fish

Aquarist #1: Could I put a betta in there for about a week or two? I have a betta in it's own 1 gallon tank, was gonna see if maybe I could put him in there, and okay then I will definitely NOT be doing chichlids.

Aquarist #1: Cichlids*

Aquarist #2: Lol. Yes

Aquarist #1: Alright thank you!

Aquarist #2: Just put the cheap fish in for a couple days. Let it cycle.

Aquarist #1: What do I do with them after that?

Aquarist #2: I would take the to a creek or river and set them free

Aquarist #3: It is beautiful...There will be some lucky fish in there soon..

Aquarist #4: Don't just put them in a creek. Give them away....somebody will take them off your hands. You really shouldn't just set pet fish free into our waters. I keep cichlids, pictus cat, and plecos in my tank and they are very active and get along together well. If you do go with cichlids overstocking is the key to cutting down on aggressive behavior. The old 1" per gallon rule is obsolete in my opinion.

Aquarist #1: Thank you so much Aquarist #3

Aquarist #1: And the tank I got from the awesome Aquarist #5! He set me up with everything I needed!
16 hours ago

Aquarist #5: Glad you are enjoying it.


[16 hours pass]

Aquarist #1: Decided to put some stress coat in the tank and then Threw in 11-12 feeder Gold fish so I can start with the right amount of bacteria in the tank when I get the other fish. They are doing so great! I also put a real plant in the tank because I was told that it's very healthy for the tank and fish, i also bought "food" for the plant to keep it healthy and I bought a new decoration and a brand new heater. I can tell you the name of the plant tomorrow when I'm not so tired! Sorry for such bad picture quality!!!

 

[beaslbob]

Lol

 

[eric.battani]

You have me wondering, what is your method that gets you in trouble? I mean if it works, it works right? Saltwater is a hobby that no one goes into and automatically knows all there is to know. And I admit some things are still confusing to me lol

 

[beaslbob]

You have me wondering, what is your method that gets you in trouble? I mean if it works, it works right? Saltwater is a hobby that no one goes into and automatically knows all there is to know. And I admit some things are still confusing to me lol

for a marine FO of FOWLR I works just fine. Seems to work with soft corals but I do have problems with hard corals.

For a Fw aquarium it works like gang busters.

I think people feel that only mechanical filters, regular water changes, and treating your tap water are the only way to maintain aquariums.

I have just found out that by starting the tank with plants (macro algae in marine tanks) those thing are not needed.

 

[Reefing Madness]

Not entirely Bob. What gets you into trouble is when you tell someone to just throw macro algae in there to solve their water quality issue. Sorry, but you know it doesn't work that way. Its gotta be enough macro, and in a large enough fuge to make it work, just throwing in a handful helps a lil bit, but isn't going to solve anything.

 

[beaslbob]

Not entirely Bob. What gets you into trouble is when you tell someone to just throw macro algae in there to solve their water quality issue. Sorry, but you know it doesn't work that way. Its gotta be enough macro, and in a large enough fuge to make it work, just throwing in a handful helps a lil bit, but isn't going to solve anything.

could be reef and thanks for feedback.

But my post over there are almost entirely for FW tanks. And I have received numerous feedbacks of rapid corrections of newly setup tanks with just the simple additions of plants like anacharis. 4-6 bunches in a 10g.

Where the first fish was breathing heavy, lying on the bottom, listless and so on. You know the classic new tank syndrone. then a few hours after adding the anacharis the fish is sipping around breathing normally and lived for months and months and years and did future additions.

 

[Reefing Madness]

Yea, now that stuff I agree with. Could be done a different way, but your way wont hurt anything.