How CPR saved Sailfin tang

[vegamedic]

Sorry but ..
@vegamedic : you said fish "plural" . And now I know otherwise. Remember!! this is my first time keeping saltwater fish .Please be friendly and dont be afraid to do diligence. As I always keep an open mind.

lungfish have lungs. lungfish are a very small clade of freshwater fish. all other fish do not. this is a very well known, defining characteristic of fish in general. it's kind of like someone telling you "mammals don't lay eggs" and then learning what a platypus is and trying to argue about it.

i am being friendly, i'm just dumbfounded.

 

[Toofattofish]

Not sure if youre serious or not, but I really hope no one ever does CPR on a fish. As so someone who's done CPR on full grown adults I've easily cracked their ribs. If you or I were to do CPR on a fish every bone in its body would be broken.

 

[2boys1room4tanks]

Trying not to be an argumentative, just my opinion....

but come on now.....Fish dont have lungs and blowing air into its mouth doesn't make sense scientifically. Mouth to mouth and CPR would only work on mammals who have lungs.

Fish don't breath air. Their gills extract/absorb o2 from the water.

What actually saved the sailfin was getting it the DT tank that had nearly 100% saturated o2 saltwater (that your storage container DIDN'T) when he had less than 5% of life left. The sailfin had just enough life left in him to restart the respiratory process of intaking your DTs o2 water thru its gills.

In my mind a complete coincidence that played out like m2m and CPR worked.

Just my opinion though....

You said "fish" plural . Lol

 

[Jeff Hall]

Oh yeah well my sailfin has legs and can speak five different languages. He also stole my car once, drove him and a couple of his buddies to an Asian joint across town where they ate all the nori.

 

[Gahngoo]

as someone who does CPR on humans for a living, this is the most absurd thing I've read in a long time. Doing compressions on a hypoxic fish? And mouth to mouth? On a fish? That breathes through its gills? Really?

"They're all doing great now except for the yellow belly damsel. He sadly died because of his little lungs."

Fish don't have lungs

I'm glad you said it. I tend to be a little too direct (and sarcastic) sometimes. Whew.

 

[revhtree Verified Admin]

Hello everyone,

Let's please remember to be kind to one another. Our community is about treating others respectfully even if we disagree.

Thank you.

PS. Welcome to R2R and I am glad the fish made a recovery!

 

[saltyhog]

Some "amphibious" fish have a rudimentary organ that might be called a lung but it's not the same as the functioning lung of mammals and even reptiles. The structure of their lungs is nothing like that of mammalian lungs, so much so that the only real similarity is the function they serve.

If there are any fish other than the few freshwater lung fish it's news to me.

 

[Fishfinder]

Irrelevant to that fact that SOME fish have lungs. The particular fish that got CPR does not have lungs. Nor do any of the fish regularly kept in an aquarium

 

[salty joe]

Haha, that's crazy in a good way! Very glad the sailfin came through. I love that story.
Your funny story reminded me of way way back in my freshwater days I had the most beautiful pair 9"of Oscars. A bronze and a saddleback. They were inseparable, they even slept together. One day the heater failed and the Oscars died. I tried the rush water through the gills routine-nothing. So, I put one in a plastic bucket and applied 110V from a lamp cord. The fish's dorsal fin became erect and I was so hopeful but my story ended sad. But it's still good for a laugh sometimes.

 

[PranK]

I'm not going to enter the argument about lungs or CPR, but I am going to say that *any* resource on the internet needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Anybody can write anything and others will consider them experts.

Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

 

[RtomKinMad]

Hello everyone,

Let's please remember to be kind to one another. Our community is about treating others respectfully even if we disagree.

Thank you.

PS. Welcome to R2R and I am glad the fish made a recovery!

Thank you for saying this! I agree. I’m glad the fish survived and they made an attempt to help rather than let it die! I hope we can offer them positive feedback and information. Thank you for intervening here.

 

[KJAG]

Trying not to be an argumentative, just my opinion....

but come on now.....Fish dont have lungs and blowing air into its mouth doesn't make sense scientifically. Mouth to mouth and CPR would only work on mammals who have lungs.

Fish don't breath air. Their gills extract/absorb o2 from the water.

What actually saved the sailfin was getting it the DT tank that had nearly 100% saturated o2 saltwater (that your storage container DIDN'T) when he had less than 5% of life left. The sailfin had just enough life left in him to restart the respiratory process of intaking your DTs o2 water thru its gills.

In my mind a complete coincidence that played out like m2m and CPR worked.

Just my opinion though....

Mouth to mouth actually does nothing beneficial for mammals(the opposite in fact)
Just in case someone reads this and files it away when someone codes in front of them in the streets! But I agree with the rest of your post.
What an epic thread.

 

[Doug B]

as someone who does CPR on humans for a living, this is the most absurd thing I've read in a long time. Doing compressions on a hypoxic fish? And mouth to mouth? On a fish? That breathes through its gills? Really?

"They're all doing great now except for the yellow belly damsel. He sadly died because of his little lungs."

Fish don't have lungs

Yeah. I'm relatively new here (in terms of number of posts), so I didn't want to come out of the gate early with criticism...but here I feel it is warranted.

Basically, the OP puts a decent number of fish in a bucket, seals the lid, and then proceeds to do chores, help friends...maybe watch a movie, get a massage...drive 5 hours. Then after arriving home he decides, "Perhaps we should do some aqua-scaping first..." and THEN he opens the lid. To his horror, his fish appear to be struggling for life! It's almost like they're suffocating or something... So having seen CPR performed on TV, or maybe even in the movie I mentioned, his "friend" performs an utterly ineffective procedure and miraculously, it works! And the most amazing part of the whole story is...some people bought it.

 

[Doug B]

Mouth to mouth actually does nothing beneficial for mammals(the opposite in fact)
Just in case someone reads this and files it away when someone codes in front of them in the streets! But I agree with the rest of your post.
What an epic thread.

You should probably write an email to the Red Cross, and tell them to stop teaching CPR based on your findings...

 

[Instigate]

You should probably write an email to the Red Cross, and tell them to stop teaching CPR based on your findings...

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/23884566/...to-mouth-required-new-cpr-rules/#.W1jUvNJKiUk
https://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20070316/cpr-mouth-to-mouth-not-much-help#1

CPR isn't just mouth to mouth. It seems that chest compression alone is what's recommended now.

 

[cmcoker]

You should probably write an email to the Red Cross, and tell them to stop teaching CPR based on your findings...

Yeah, when I took basic life support for health care providers a few years ago, iirc, the instructor recommended not to stop compressions if you are alone, as a pair about 50 chest compressions before your partner gives a breath. Seems the most important part is getting oxygen to the brain and you lose momentum if you stop for a breath. There is some air being moved in the lungs by the compressions.

 

[sundog101]

Compression only CPR is taught to the general population. The idea is to get people to just do something. If nothing is done, the chance of survival is zero.

Mouth to mouth actually does nothing beneficial for mammals(the opposite in fact)
Just in case someone reads this and files it away when someone codes in front of them in the streets!

So I guess we should stop ventilating patients

In regards to fish, it sounds like you were able to pass water over the gills. If the fish had actually stopped "breathing" and you were able to get him back, thats awesome!

 

[KJAG]

You should probably write an email to the Red Cross, and tell them to stop teaching CPR based on your findings...

The Red Cross..

You should probably write an email to the Red Cross, and tell them to stop teaching CPR based on your findings...

Educate yourself. I never suggested that anyone stop teaching CPR. They aren’t my findings. They’re the AHA’s, more specifically ACLS protocols which us Paramedics(and Nurses and Doctors) operate by.

 

[KJAG]

Compression only CPR is taught to the general population. The idea is to get people to just do something. If nothing is done, the chance of survival is zero.

So I guess we should stop ventilating patients

In regards to fish, it sounds like you were able to pass water over the gills. If the fish had actually stopped "breathing" and you were able to get him back, thats awesome!

“Ventilating...” Per the context of this post as in mouth to mouth? Whether it’s a tang or a human? Yes! We should.

 

[iDeath]

This has to be a trolling story. There's no way you gave a fish cpr and chest compressions...