How many is too much

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Wanting to add one more fish but do t want to over do it. So far I have one yellow tang,one Melanurus wrasse,two clowns (smaller side), one chromis (small), a flame angel, and a smaller mandarin.

My nitrates and phos are undetectable. Wondering if I can add one more medium sized fish. Thoughts?
 
This can’t really be answered without knowing more about your system. How many gallons is your display tank? Do you have a sump? If so, how big? Do you have a refugium? What macro algae do you have? Do you have a skimmer? What size? Any other nutrient export methods?

You probably don’t need to answer all of these, but everyone will need some basics about your system to answer.
 
If you have more gallons of fish than water, you’ve probably overdone things.
 
Wanting to add one more fish but do t want to over do it. So far I have one yellow tang,one Melanurus wrasse,two clowns (smaller side), one chromis (small), a flame angel, and a smaller mandarin.

My nitrates and phos are undetectable. Wondering if I can add one more medium sized fish. Thoughts?

Maybe? It depends on things like your tank size, filtration, etc. There are generally 2 limits to keep in mind when stocking. The first is a limit due to physical space in the tank and remaining real estate for the fish to avoid aggression. The 2nd is bioload capacity. That is, the ability for your system to process the waste generated by your fish. You may have physical space for the fish, but if you're not running good filtration methods or keeping up on water changes, you may be limited by bioload. Likewise, you may have a mega giant skimmer, and change filter socks daily, and do weekly 20% water changes, so your bioload isn't an issue...but you just have so many fish in the tank that aggression and stress may result by adding more.
 
It’s not all about nutrients. Fish also need a territory if territorial, a place to hide, and some need more room to swim. Usually I see a tang being recommended as needing 6 feet of horizontal room... but some ignore that. I have only kept tangs in a 200 but that sucker got enormous!

In addition to Cruz’s questions, I want to add length of tank and time since cycle.
 
Ha totally forgot to include some details. It’s a 75 gal display with a 40 gal sump. Refugium with chaeto and oversized skimmer. So far I have no aggression besides the clown that every once in a while will chase a fish away from his RBTA. Otherwise all live in harmony
 
My initial reaction with the specs you provided is yes, you could probably add another fish or two provided it's nothing bigger like a Tang or Foxface or something, keeping in mind that all of this is subjective and you'll get as many responses saying it's ok as you will people telling you're you're evil for having a tang in there and that you're already overstocked.

Also, as your tank gets closer to getting fully stocked, don't just think about the number of fish, but what behavioral niche and tank level they occupy. Try to avoid too many fish that spend their time swimming mid level in and out of the rocks for example. The only bottom dweller you have seems to be a mandarin, so you could easily look at something like a goby with absolutely no worries about overcrowding because that's currently unoccupied real estate.

You also seem to have a pretty full lot of mid-swimers with a Tang, Wrasse, Flame Angel, and clowns (though you mention the clowns are hosting a nem, so I might not count them for this). Maybe look at something that it more of a top swimmer as it will only have the Chromis up there in the clouds. An Anthias might be worth looking into.

Having 10 fish that are evenly distributed in the tank and don't overlap in behaviors and ecological niches too much is MUCH different than having 10 wrasses or 10 fish who all pick at the rocks in the middle or the tank, or 10 mid open water swimmers, etc.
 
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I think the most important part that is an oversight a lot of the time by many is what does your tank look like? Depending on the layout of the rock work and how much swimming space you have a 75 can be large enough for many more fish or to small for your current list. To little space and stress and aggression will occur. Second most important is the bio-load capacity.
 
Perching fish like a blenny or a hawkfish and sand dwellers like a watchman goby would be good choices.
 
I agree it doesn’t sound overly stocked but nutrient export, size of new fish, and behavior of all new and current fish are what determines “overstocking”. I would say I overstock by almost everyone’s definition, I tend to get away with it because of my experience.
 
In my opinion, overstocked is a matter of 2 things. Physical space and parameter control.

The first is obvious and not much needs to be said on it. Do your fish have enough room to swim without hitting each other? If not, then you’re wayyy overstocked.

The second one is also pretty straightforward, but a little more analysis is required. How are your nitrate and phosphate levels? Are they low/high enough to sustain the corals/inverts you want to keep (for example, tanks with acropora and other SPS will likely be easier to manage with a lower bioload, while softy/LPS tanks may have more heavier loads). Also, how are your ammonia levels? If it’s anything above zero, you either 1. Stocked too fast or 2. Stocked too much.

However, I am very liberal with stocking, especially with bigger tanks. In my opinion, as long as there’s physical space for swimming and your tank isn’t a toxic wasteland, you can stock as many fish as you want. Heck I plan to keep 6 tangs, a fox-face, a Quoyi parrotfish, and a niger trigger in my 180 gallon system with an additional 90 gallons or so of water. My tank will also have a variety of corals like acropora and montipora. The key? Keeping those parameters under control. I will have to do more water changes and maintenance than if I stocked lighter, however, that’s what I’m willing to put up with. The question really is, what are you able to put up with maintenance wise...?

PS - Though a highly controversial topic, I have nothing against buying fish that will outgrow your tank (for me, a naso tang) as long as you have plans to rehome it as it grows. So if you want to keep a kole tang in a 55, just plan to have a home for it to go to in the future! For example, when my blonde naso outgrows my display, it’ll be going into my LFS’s 5,000 gallon system!
 
Yea I’m actually struggling with too low of nutrients trying to get em up a bit
 

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