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i have an opportunity to buy a zoa frag pack and i was just wondering if i was getting a decent price. What would you pay for this pack or wut do you think is a fair price.

Here are the names and # of polyps as given to me by the seller.

Cat Eyes - 5 polyps
Nuclear Greens - 5 polyps
Raptor's Rainbows - 5 polyps
Armor of Gods - 5 polyps
Purple Deaths - 5 polyps
Candy Apple Greens - 5 polyps

I know wut most look like and sell for, but i couldnt find Raptors Rainbows or Candy Apple Greens anywhere on the net do they also go by another name??
 
What I would pay and what I would ask are two different things! ;)

If I were selling that pack, I would probably ask >$300. Nuclear greens, purple death, and AOG can all command a high price.
 
I've heard people call these, candy apple pinks. Maybe candy apple green is similar . . .
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Yea I figured it up and about $300-$350 would be a going price.
 
OBTW welcome to R2R jm68! Or at least welcome on your first post! :D
 
i would charge and i would pay
60.00 bucks. 6 frags = 60.00 no frag is worth more then 10.00 IMO

just another group of zoas with a popular name and over inflated prices. search around till you find a someone selling for the love of the hobby at a fair price and not crazy designer prices. also let me let you in on a little secret. check your local stores!! check them real good. many of these so called rare zoas are walked right by everyday in local stores. store lighting and system will never bring out the true color. all it takes is one perfect picture in just the right lighting to make a coral famous yet it is no different then some many have seen for sale and did not even know it.

gl to ya
 
Standard retail would definitely be over $300. I've seen AoG go for $30/polyp. That'd be $150 right there. Purple Death I've seen at $45/polyp. That's a very expensive pack.
 
i would charge and i would pay
60.00 bucks. 6 frags = 60.00 no frag is worth more then 10.00 IMO

just another group of zoas with a popular name and over inflated prices. search around till you find a someone selling for the love of the hobby at a fair price and not crazy designer prices. also let me let you in on a little secret. check your local stores!! check them real good. many of these so called rare zoas are walked right by everyday in local stores. store lighting and system will never bring out the true color. all it takes is one perfect picture in just the right lighting to make a coral famous yet it is no different then some many have seen for sale and did not even know it.

gl to ya

I know I am asking for it ,but I totally agree.Even tho I myself have paid much more.However it is up to the individual buyer as to what you will pay.
 
i would charge and i would pay
60.00 bucks. 6 frags = 60.00 no frag is worth more then 10.00 IMO

just another group of zoas with a popular name and over inflated prices. search around till you find a someone selling for the love of the hobby at a fair price and not crazy designer prices. also let me let you in on a little secret. check your local stores!! check them real good. many of these so called rare zoas are walked right by everyday in local stores. store lighting and system will never bring out the true color. all it takes is one perfect picture in just the right lighting to make a coral famous yet it is no different then some many have seen for sale and did not even know it.

gl to ya

You know I thought long and hard before deciding to reply to this but your right some vendors are over pricing stuff maybe me included but I also think if these frags are truly cultured there worth the higher value and unless your independantly wealthy you cant make a living selling true cultured frags at ten bucks a frag but I can if im just chopping up wild stuff.
 
You know I thought long and hard before deciding to reply to this but your right some vendors are over pricing stuff maybe me included but I also think if these frags are truly cultured there worth the higher value and unless your independantly wealthy you cant make a living selling true cultured frags at ten bucks a frag but I can if im just chopping up wild stuff.

That part is not true. Matter a fact you can make even more money from cultured frags. With wild stuff you have to buy buy buy all the time new stock. Cultured frags if you run a big enough operation you only have one investment of the original purchase and then you just grow and sell grow and sell. If you have enough growing at one time you always have product to sell and your cost is far less.

In the past when I first started I used to buy high grow a few polyps and sell higher which would be the same system your talking about. I sold half as much as I do now but at 30 40 even 100 bucks per frag I was making a ton more money. And my cost was much less since I was simply selling coral I bought once and kept growing out. Other then lighting and regular tank associated cost I had no other cost.

Now with my current system I buy cases and cases each month of corals. I go through those corals and cherry pick the best ones and then sell off the rest to local stores. I take those coral and frag them up before being placed into our systems. The corals then go through a 6 month cycle that takes them down the line of tanks until they reach the
"ready for sale tanks" this ensures good growth and healthy frags. This system has me buying coral EVERY month in large quantity. More cost, less profit, but a better product and far better price for the hobby was the result.

Don’t get me wrong here. The corals are worth what ever someone is willing to pay for them and more power to anyone getting every dime they can for a coral they may or may not be trying to sell. I was just saying that if he did not want to spend a ton of cash that he just needs to keep his eyes open and he will soon see that all these "Rare" coral may not be so rare after all.

i am very happy to see that MANY vendors are dropping zoanthids prices by quite a bit.
i think this is mainly because the new Coral fad is leaning on australian acan whcih is no different then the zoas. so much in fact i'm considering importing them now to make those more afordable for the hobby as well. These things are selling for crazy prices.
 
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thanx for all the input. i'm actually getting them for a price much cheaper than 300$ so i guess i'm getting a good deal. but its good to hear all the opinions about the trade and what you feel are accurate prices.
 
That part is not true. Matter a fact you can make even more money from cultured frags. With wild stuff you have to buy buy buy all the time new stock. Cultured frags if you run a big enough operation you only have one investment of the original purchase and then you just grow and sell grow and sell. If you have enough growing at one time you always have product to sell and your cost is far less.

In the past when I first started I used to buy high grow a few polyps and sell higher which would be the same system your talking about. I sold half as much as I do now but at 30 40 even 100 bucks per frag I was making a ton more money. And my cost was much less since I was simply selling coral I bought once and kept growing out. Other then lighting and regular tank associated cost I had no other cost.

Now with my current system I buy cases and cases each month of corals. I go through those corals and cherry pick the best ones and then sell off the rest to local stores. I take those coral and frag them up before being placed into our systems. The corals then go through a 6 month cycle that takes them down the line of tanks until they reach the
"ready for sale tanks" this ensures good growth and healthy frags. This system has me buying coral EVERY month in large quantity. More cost, less profit, but a better product and far better price for the hobby was the result.

Don’t get me wrong here. The corals are worth what ever someone is willing to pay for them and more power to anyone getting every dime they can for a coral they may or may not be trying to sell. I was just saying that if he did not want to spend a ton of cash that he just needs to keep his eyes open and he will soon see that all these "Rare" coral may not be so rare after all.

i am very happy to see that MANY vendors are dropping zoanthids prices by quite a bit.
i think this is mainly because the new Coral fad is leaning on australian acan whcih is no different then the zoas. so much in fact i'm considering importing them now to make those more afordable for the hobby as well. These things are selling for crazy prices.

I'd agree with this, buy only partially. Due to the extremely slow growth rate of many LPS selling a decent sized frag for $10 is uneconomical when those pieces are cultured. For soft corals and most SPS $10 a for a small frag is reasonable. Larger, colony sized (3-4") pieces would need to cost more. The investment in kalkwasser/liquid calcium/salt/reactor media alone would be quite a bit on a piece like that.
 
i would charge and i would pay
60.00 bucks. 6 frags = 60.00 no frag is worth more then 10.00 IMO

just another group of zoas with a popular name and over inflated prices. search around till you find a someone selling for the love of the hobby at a fair price and not crazy designer prices. also let me let you in on a little secret. check your local stores!! check them real good. many of these so called rare zoas are walked right by everyday in local stores. store lighting and system will never bring out the true color. all it takes is one perfect picture in just the right lighting to make a coral famous yet it is no different then some many have seen for sale and did not even know it.

gl to ya
I do not know a lot about pricing these, but I myself would love for some of the prices to come down. I do think its getting to be more about the money than the love of the hobby. There is tons of reefers out there that absolutely can not do corals because of the prices, myself included. I have to wait for a good deal like the one Mark at Russellsaquaculture.com just gave me. He is awesome!
 
I'd agree with this, buy only partially. Due to the extremely slow growth rate of many LPS selling a decent sized frag for $10 is uneconomical when those pieces are cultured. For soft corals and most SPS $10 a for a small frag is reasonable. Larger, colony sized (3-4") pieces would need to cost more. The investment in kalkwasser/liquid calcium/salt/reactor media alone would be quite a bit on a piece like that.

i agree i would not do LPS and such for 10.00 for the reason you said but i have no doubt i could come up with something far more reasonable then currently available. my goals are to find the heavy need in the hobby research it and come up with a way to offer that same product for a bare minimum cost to the hobby. i know i'm just one vendor with a small staff but i try my best to help get these coral prices under control in hopes soon others will follow. this in turn would make this hobby much better for everyone INCLUDING the vendors due to the influx of new customer.
 
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Definitely. I try to keep my prices low. I see some people selling identical items for double what I sell for. Granted my mark-up is less than standard for an LFS, but I'm an OFS and try to pass the savings on to customers. Some pieces I can't do much on because of the price I have to pay. Others I try and sell relatively cheaply. I don't even mind $20 frags.
 
I do not know a lot about pricing these, but I myself would love for some of the prices to come down. I do think its getting to be more about the money than the love of the hobby. There is tons of reefers out there that absolutely can not do corals because of the prices, myself included. I have to wait for a good deal like the one Mark at Russellsaquaculture.com just gave me. He is awesome!

Thanks Larry! :)
 
That part is not true. Matter a fact you can make even more money from cultured frags. With wild stuff you have to buy buy buy all the time new stock. Cultured frags if you run a big enough operation you only have one investment of the original purchase and then you just grow and sell grow and sell. If you have enough growing at one time you always have product to sell and your cost is far less.

In the past when I first started I used to buy high grow a few polyps and sell higher which would be the same system your talking about. I sold half as much as I do now but at 30 40 even 100 bucks per frag I was making a ton more money. And my cost was much less since I was simply selling coral I bought once and kept growing out. Other then lighting and regular tank associated cost I had no other cost.

Now with my current system I buy cases and cases each month of corals. I go through those corals and cherry pick the best ones and then sell off the rest to local stores. I take those coral and frag them up before being placed into our systems. The corals then go through a 6 month cycle that takes them down the line of tanks until they reach the
"ready for sale tanks" this ensures good growth and healthy frags. This system has me buying coral EVERY month in large quantity. More cost, less profit, but a better product and far better price for the hobby was the result.

Don’t get me wrong here. The corals are worth what ever someone is willing to pay for them and more power to anyone getting every dime they can for a coral they may or may not be trying to sell. I was just saying that if he did not want to spend a ton of cash that he just needs to keep his eyes open and he will soon see that all these "Rare" coral may not be so rare after all.

i am very happy to see that MANY vendors are dropping zoanthids prices by quite a bit.
i think this is mainly because the new Coral fad is leaning on australian acan whcih is no different then the zoas. so much in fact i'm considering importing them now to make those more afordable for the hobby as well. These things are selling for crazy prices.

To a point I agree and then I dont.I have a feeling this is not your sole source of income and im also assuming your getting a fair price on stuff you sell localy because nobody does this to brake even.Now I see your point on the frags but for me and most vendors we only have so much room to grow certian types of corals and cant give our whole system to zoa/paly frags as im assuming by what you say you do if so then I could see selling 10.00 frags if that was my whole opperation then i'd have the stock and the amounts needed to be able to sell at that.Combined me and my partner have close to 4000 gal of system but we deal in all types of corals so what I have that I grow is usally the best of the best and beings room is usally sparse I dont have hundreds of colony's to do what you do but maybe next year lol.Anyways your situation is diffrent from others and to say that frags should be 10.00 a frag for everythingZoa/Paly wise is a tad on the unrelistic side for most vendors and I do relize that some are taking advantage of things but alot dont and the consumer needs to just shop around to find fair deals which sounds like you have.
 
All ya'll that are belly-aching about prices should join a local reef club if at all possible. Then you can trade with locals, or buy frags at very reasonable prices ($5-20). Buying any coral online is going to cost you a lot, if nothing else than the cost of shipping.
 
All ya'll that are belly-aching about prices should join a local reef club if at all possible. Then you can trade with locals, or buy frags at very reasonable prices ($5-20). Buying any coral online is going to cost you a lot, if nothing else than the cost of shipping.
+1. Most of my zoas have come from my local reef club and I have paid less for small frags than I see them going for on line for a single polyp.
 
Its all about supply and demand. If the zoas are hard to come by and are colorful then they will have a higher price. As EliteReefs said people walk by many of these zoas everyday, but its like looking for a needle in a haystack. In the end it comes down to what the seller is willing to sell them for and what the buyer will pay. If you feel the price is too high try to find the same coral from a different seller.
 

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