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I have had this tank for over six years, and I have only added sand a couple of times. I have a deep sand bed about five inches deep. my phosphates have been leeching so I took out must of my rocks but I think it might be the sand also. is it normal to change sand out does it lose its ability after some years.
 
They might have covered it somewhere else, but this one jumps to mind:

 
They might have covered it somewhere else, but this one jumps to mind:

thank you
 
Also, whether or not you keep/remove that sand bed, just be very very careful. I nuked a tank about a decade ago by removing a DSB, even though I thought I was careful by creating an ammonia spike and releasing a ton of hydrogen sulfide. My advice if you were going to replace it would be to SLOWLY remove a bit at a time.
 
Also, whether or not you keep/remove that sand bed, just be very very careful. I nuked a tank about a decade ago by removing a DSB, even though I thought I was careful by creating an ammonia spike and releasing a ton of hydrogen sulfide. My advice if you were going to replace it would be to SLOWLY remove a bit at a time.
yes I have heard of that
 
BRS left out core steps

here it is, adjusted :)

how to instantly remove and never cycle.

 
Many people change a section of their sand bed out regularly i myself change nearly 100% of my sand bed in my nano every 3 months and in my previous larger reef before that i changed about 30% every 3 to 4 months and have done so for the past 18 years and see nothing but positive results from the method, it is an excellent export and refreshing mechanism helping towards preventing old tank syndrome

On a sand bed that is deeper or sat for a long time a VERY cautious approach is required as a lot of nasties will potentially have built up that you don't really want to disturb into the water column which is one of the reasons why deep sand beds fell out of favour and are often referred to as ticking time bombs, despite what many believe they do have a finite lifespan even with maintenance and will at some point require intervention/refreshing or at some point it will reach critical mass as it were

Personally i advise people determined to run a DSB to run it in the sump in two separate tubs that way every 3 years a tub can be pulled and replaced with fresh sand so in that way it never reaches critical mass and can be run indefinitely on this rotation method and doesn't become problematic

BRS had issues because they unbalanced the system by trying to remove and not replace and go bare bottom that is one of the reasons they are very much pro sand bed now

Here is my nano that i suck the used smelly discoloured sand out with a hose and replace with glorious bright white sand every 3 months

IMG_20200427_215651.jpg


And i use this tube with half a pop bottle to put the sand in right to the bottom exactly where i want it to go with no mess

sand delivery system-2.jpg
 
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Sir that is a repurposed beer bong from 1998 good job it wasn’t tossed out but reused in updated manner
I always siphon my sand bed because of the detritus build up, the siphoned sand water is black and smells like rotten eggs. I do it very carefully and I have never changed my sandbed, I have added a gallon or so of sand but never changed it. My corals get a little slimy ;/ but they don’t ever die or get bacterial infection or tissue necrosis. I raise a lot of cheato that removes nitrates and phosphates in the water column but curious if changing it is due to lack of maintenance or if the sand really goes bad?
 
Many people change a section of their sand bed out regularly i myself change nearly 100% of my sand bed in my nano every 3 months and in my previous larger reef before that i changed about 30% every 3 to 4 months and have done so for the past 18 years and see nothing but positive results from the method, it is an excellent export and refreshing mechanism helping towards preventing old tank syndrome

On a sand bed that is deeper or sat for a long time a VERY cautious approach is required as a lot of nasties will potentially have built up that you don't really want to disturb into the water column which is one of the reasons why deep sand beds fell out of favour and are often referred to as ticking time bombs, despite what many believe they do have a finite lifespan even with maintenance and will at some point require intervention/refreshing or at some point it will reach critical mass as it were

Personally i advise people determined to run a DSB to run it in the sump in two separate tubs that way every 3 years a tub can be pulled and replaced with fresh sand so in that way it never reaches critical mass and can be run indefinitely on this rotation method and doesn't become problematic

BRS had issues because they unbalanced the system by trying to remove and not replace and go bare bottom that is one of the reasons they are very much pro sand bed now

Here is my nano that i suck the used smelly discoloured sand out with a hose and replace with glorious bright white sand every 3 months

IMG_20200427_215651.jpg


And i use this tube with half a pop bottle to put the sand in right to the bottom exactly where i want it to go with no mess

sand delivery system-2.jpg
That’s a pretty tank!!!
 
Many people change a section of their sand bed out regularly i myself change nearly 100% of my sand bed in my nano every 3 months and in my previous larger reef before that i changed about 30% every 3 to 4 months and have done so for the past 18 years and see nothing but positive results from the method, it is an excellent export and refreshing mechanism helping towards preventing old tank syndrome

On a sand bed that is deeper or sat for a long time a VERY cautious approach is required as a lot of nasties will potentially have built up that you don't really want to disturb into the water column which is one of the reasons why deep sand beds fell out of favour and are often referred to as ticking time bombs, despite what many believe they do have a finite lifespan even with maintenance and will at some point require intervention/refreshing or at some point it will reach critical mass as it were

Personally i advise people determined to run a DSB to run it in the sump in two separate tubs that way every 3 years a tub can be pulled and replaced with fresh sand so in that way it never reaches critical mass and can be run indefinitely on this rotation method and doesn't become problematic

BRS had issues because they unbalanced the system by trying to remove and not replace and go bare bottom that is one of the reasons they are very much pro sand bed now

Here is my nano that i suck the used smelly discoloured sand out with a hose and replace with glorious bright white sand every 3 months

IMG_20200427_215651.jpg


And i use this tube with half a pop bottle to put the sand in right to the bottom exactly where i want it to go with no mess

sand delivery system-2.jpg

That device you made is genius! #lifehack
 
Many people change a section of their sand bed out regularly i myself change nearly 100% of my sand bed in my nano every 3 months and in my previous larger reef before that i changed about 30% every 3 to 4 months and have done so for the past 18 years and see nothing but positive results from the method, it is an excellent export and refreshing mechanism helping towards preventing old tank syndrome

On a sand bed that is deeper or sat for a long time a VERY cautious approach is required as a lot of nasties will potentially have built up that you don't really want to disturb into the water column which is one of the reasons why deep sand beds fell out of favour and are often referred to as ticking time bombs, despite what many believe they do have a finite lifespan even with maintenance and will at some point require intervention/refreshing or at some point it will reach critical mass as it were

Personally i advise people determined to run a DSB to run it in the sump in two separate tubs that way every 3 years a tub can be pulled and replaced with fresh sand so in that way it never reaches critical mass and can be run indefinitely on this rotation method and doesn't become problematic

BRS had issues because they unbalanced the system by trying to remove and not replace and go bare bottom that is one of the reasons they are very much pro sand bed now

Here is my nano that i suck the used smelly discoloured sand out with a hose and replace with glorious bright white sand every 3 months

IMG_20200427_215651.jpg


And i use this tube with half a pop bottle to put the sand in right to the bottom exactly where i want it to go with no mess

sand delivery system-2.jpg
Geezs every 3 months thats what i call dedication . i eill try and remove little by little it will be interesting .
 
Also, with regard to cleaning your tank, you might check some of the posts by @brandon429.
I second this. While BRS had problems, you'll find supporting evidence from @brandon429 that suggest it can easily be done. I use his experience and advice to change sand in a small tank without issue.
BRS has been my number one resource for reefing...and I owe them a lot... more than I could express....HOWEVER, they at times show a mild misunderstanding of bacterial growth curves and aspects of bioload and carrying capacity so occasionally, and I mean rarely, they make incorrect inference as to why they encountered their problems in the experiments they run. If they had a biologist in the background to help scrutinize their experiments, they would not jump to some of the conclusions they do.
 
i learned in some of the big back n forth battle threads on detritus/sandbeds that so many tanks run successfully using opposing means, there isnt a best practice as different artists work w different brushes.

what I like working on is providing solid reliable access technique for those that simply want to access beds for one or more reasons. that is very very fun pattern studies. it was very fun working against the grain of the common notions in the hobby, sandbeds were so untouchable back in the 90s that to look at one sideways seems to have insulted many a tank.

once we learned disassembly/reassembly approaches that work tank to tank, our access ability + skipping a recycle shot right up and now we can do anything we want to reef sandbeds without loss.

*re ramping light is a recurring safety theme for us. in most work threads, that bright production lighting habituated to a full-sink waste system and then re ran on a perfectly new bed has bleached some corals. we found that by re ramping led's like new light, that stopped.
 

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