How small can I start?

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I am looking to make the leap into the saltwater aquarium hobby, but I don't have a lot of space, or funding. I was thinking of grabbing a Fluval Evo 13.5 and starting off with live rock, inverts, and then corals, to keep my bioload low and make for easier maintenance. I am hoping that my thinking is correct that no fish means easier care but pease correct me if I'm wrong! I was hoping of eventually adding 2 clowns and going from there if that helps. Thanks!
 
I don't see your maintenance being much more with the two clowns TBH.
 
got to start somewhere.... i started with a 20 and now i am up to a 125.... i would go bigger if i had the space......

its an addiction

Quick question because you seem experienced. Will there be any bioload at all with only life rock, corals, and inverts? Or minimal bioload?
 
Quick question because you seem experienced. Will there be any bioload at all with only life rock, corals, and inverts? Or minimal bioload?


i may be experienced, but i am always learning! and more than not, proved wrong......


anything you put in the tank is going to create a bio load ... corals and inverts will create some, but not as much as the fish... and i dont think its actually the fish that is doing it, it is us creating it with the way we feed them.... i have found that most people (myself included) like to overfeed... we all love watching the creatures we host feeding and chasing food and being active....


set up your cube!!! go for it!!!! watch your parameters... remember that small swings in a low volume of water are more stressful than in a large volume of water.... add your clowns and enjoy!!!!
 
i may be experienced, but i am always learning! and more than not, proved wrong......


anything you put in the tank is going to create a bio load ... corals and inverts will create some, but not as much as the fish... and i dont think its actually the fish that is doing it, it is us creating it with the way we feed them.... i have found that most people (myself included) like to overfeed... we all love watching the creatures we host feeding and chasing food and being active....


set up your cube!!! go for it!!!! watch your parameters... remember that small swings in a low volume of water are more stressful than in a large volume of water.... add your clowns and enjoy!!!!

Thanks so much for the vote of confidence! I will go for it! And this is a side note, but your profile picture is a mandarin, and that is probably my favorite saltwater fish out there. Do you have one or are you a mandarin goby hopeful like me?
 
Thanks so much for the vote of confidence! I will go for it! And this is a side note, but your profile picture is a mandarin, and that is probably my favorite saltwater fish out there. Do you have one or are you a mandarin goby hopeful like me?


That is a picture of my second mandarin


The first one I had my kids picked out. He lasted about 8 months before he withered away from starvation. Tank was 8 months old when I put him in the tank. He got really fat really quick and I couldn’t grow pods fast enough to keep it alive.

The one in the picture I had got after my tank was 6 years old. I was able to keep it alive for almost 2 years. I had a kalk incident and killed off all my pods and it started withering away after that and died also.

I will never have another. Just too hard to keep alive and I cannot do that to another animal
 
Thanks so much for the vote of confidence! I will go for it! And this is a side note, but your profile picture is a mandarin, and that is probably my favorite saltwater fish out there. Do you have one or are you a mandarin goby hopeful like me?
To be honest. If you want to start small. A 40B(Breeder) tank is the best. It has length and width that can hold a lot of fish in your 10g to 65g range. There is a gap between 75g-120g where the fish that would be okay for a 120g some people try to put in a tank from a 75g-120g.
Clowns are in that 10g-75g. Personally I would not put a clown in less than a 20g.
I have had a spotted mandarin that ate frozens when I bought it from the LFS. Never had to worry about pods. Fed it 3x a day. Yes they NEED to eat that many times in a day. It doesn't have to be a ton of food. Just they have fast metabolism and need to have something in them.
As for the green or red mandarin. I completely understand your want for this fish. It was my goal fish and most wanted one. Problem is I didn't like the info out there. A lot of it did not add up.
The green or red dragonet and red or red ruby scooter dragonet are a 100% do not ever expect them ever to eat frozen food kind of fish. So you have to have a pod species (tigger pods I highly recommend)growing in a separate tank and baby brine shrimp hatcheries. This will get you by for feeding these kinds of dragonets. I would not put a fish like these dragonets in a tank any less than a 30g. Once again a 40B is perfect. This will give you plenty of room from front to back 18" and side to side 36". This makes it great for aquascaping and cleaning. The height is great at 16" so you do not have to reach to far down into the tank.
Getting back to the green mandarin. Yes I have one of those now, because I lost my spotted mandarin after my 40B cracked due to it not being level causing a stress fracture. So I did a ton of research and figured out on my own how to keep one. Tigger pods and baby brine shrimp. This is the gods honest truth. My two mandarins are the only 2 mandarins I have ever seen in person the past 2 years of being in the hobby that did not show a skeletal line that runs down the middle of their body. They are and were properly fed. Checkout the Videography Forum. I have been doing videos on Tigger pods using a 2 5g tanks. Checkout my videos on YouTube 40B Knasty. It will show you how to not spend $20 a week for 2,000 Tigger pods. Which will add up to $1,040 a year, but it will show you how to have 5,000-10,000 pods a week which is plenty of pods for a mandarin. Since they can eat between 500-1500pods a day. 7 days x 500 pods=3,500. So if you are dumping in 5k pods a week. That is 5,000 pods ÷ 7 days = 714 per day for him to eat if there is no other pod eaters in the tank. So I am above the bench mark for at least a healthy quality life for him. I am trying to get it to 10k pods per week ÷ 7days = 1,428 per day. See how it is a numbers game. Play the game right and you will have 100% success. This is the part I figured out for everyone to see with proof.
Now here is the other thing. Since I am in the 714 per day, but I also have a flame angel who loves tigger pods as well. So now it has gone down to half of that for him to eat. That is why I have the baby brine shrimp. I dump a 1000 of them in a day. So were I was down to 307 for tigger pods to feed the mandarin per day. The baby brine shrimp adds to the total up to 1,307 things for him to eat per day. Plus it feeds my corals. Win win! Here is the other win win part of doing the baby brine shrimp. He became used to eating the baby brine shrimp. He now recognizes the taste. So guess what happens next for me. He sees the frozen brine shrimp w/ spirulina floating by and becomes interested. Now the other part is I feed my tigger pods ONLY spirulina. So he knows the taste of spirulina & brine shrimp which makes the frozen version of those 2 tastes palatable. I never seeded my 65g with pods that has been running for only 5-6 months. It took only 1 months to trick him into eating frozen brine w/spirulina. 2 weeks later I mixed some mysis in with the brine to trick him into eating those as well. Here is the results.
 
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I'm starting with a 20 gallon all-in-one (AIO). Things are going well so far. I will agree that it's harder to keep parameters stable in a small tank because evaporation, dosing, heating, everything happens more quickly or has a greater effect in a small tank.

I debated for a long time between a 10g and 20g AIO. In the end I'm glad I went with the larger tank. It gives me a bit more stability, a bit more room for livestock, and really doesn't require any additional equipment or maintenance compared to a 10g. It just requires a floor space that is 2' x 1' instead of 1' x 1'.

If you are going to go small and want to enjoy the hobby, I would recommend beginning with easy-to-keep livestock: an ocellaris clownfish, some snails, and some soft or easy LPS corals. Based on what I know and have heard, if you get too complicated, too quickly in this hobby (I would put mandarin gobies in that category) you are likely to experience a major setback (livestock death, tank crash, invasive hitchhikers, etc.) and if you're relatively new to the hobby that might be enough to make you quit. If instead you start with an approach that maximizes your chances of early success, you're more likely to get a really solid footing in the hobby before you have your first major setback. Then, when that setback happens, you'll be more likely to stick it out, solve it, and keep going in the hobby.

Best of luck!
 
Go with an All In One system as your first, you'll be glad you did(probably).
 

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