Howto: 0-10v Control Return Pump

Support@GHLUSA · Nov 17, 2016

Several Return pumps allow external 0-10v flow adjustments.

These types of pumps can very easily be controller through the ProfiLux and it's available 0-10v L ports (Yellow)

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To get started, you need to have either:

GHL compatible 0-10v cable for your pump.

OR

GHL LBF-AP module - Connects to L port and provides terminal pinout for connecting bare wires (-/+) 0-10v signal

With this we can set the speed/flow of the pump, throttle it down at night time, increase for thunderstorm and/or decrease for feedings.

In my example, we're going to set the return pump for consistent flow - no wave motion or increase/decrease during normal use.

It's all in the Stream Group setting. In my case, I use Streamgroup 8, I added my RD3 10v interface on L3 to the group, and set it:
Mode: Permanent
Waves: no waves
* Add Pump#: 3

We will set the running power to 60%, 25% during Feed Cycle, and 100% for wild flow during thunderstorms.

Edit pump 3 for:
Minimum: 25
Maximum: 60 (running power)
Night: 40
Thunderstorm: 100
Behavior for feed: minimum

Please let me know if you have questions or need assistance with building a program for you.

Dumaurier7 · Nov 17, 2016

Seems pretty straightforward but I'd like to see how you'd set up a circular like a GYRE .

Support@GHLUSA · Nov 18, 2016

Dumaurier7 said:
Seems pretty straightforward but I'd like to see how you'd set up a circular like a GYRE .

Very simple.

You'll need a Gyre, the model respective IceCap 0-10v interface, and you can either modify the APEX cable, or pickup the LBF-AP module for an easy screw terminal connection.

We're going to use StreamGroup #7 for the Gyre programs - You may use whichever you desire, this is what I used, and will be shown below:

I assigned Port/Pump #5 to Stream Group #7 - the groups are a programming grouping.
Set Mode to Permanent if you only have 1 Gyre in this group.
Set Mode to Permanent Opposite if you have 2 Gyres and want to reverse flow between the 2 units.

I set waves to Right Angle - this is a MIN to MAX, like a ON/OFF - not a ramping style output. You can also ramp up/down..
I set my pump#5 for 10% - 100% w/ 35% night time.

Then assigned the Stream Pump #5 to my L5 port..

Now you can plug in the pump's interface into the respective L port on the controller or expansion box ... and enjoy the Gyre.

Dumaurier7 · Nov 21, 2016

Thank you for your guidance , it will save me alot of time when I do this.

authentic · Nov 21, 2016

any chance of someone doing this for apex?

revhtree · Nov 21, 2016

Thanks for this how to! Nice job!

Dumaurier7 · Feb 11, 2017

Hi Marco, I can't seem to locate any information on wiring/connecting the LBF-AP Module , can you expand on this ststement? "You'll need a Gyre, the model respective IceCap 0-10v interface, and you can either modify the APEX cable, or pickup the LBF-AP module for an easy screw terminal connection."

Jerel · Feb 11, 2017

Here's a video !

Matthias Gross · Feb 11, 2017

Hey, great job! We added this to the GHL YouTube playlist

Dumaurier7 · Feb 11, 2017

U guys are truly awesome!

Rory's Reef · Feb 19, 2017

I'm currently looking into switching to the Profilux 4, but I'm trying to figure out if my skimmer and return pump are compatible. I currently have the Reef Octopus VarioS-6 for a return pump and a Deltec SC1351 as my skimmer. Are either of these capable of having the Profilux control their speed?

Support@GHLUSA · Feb 19, 2017

Rory's Reef said:
I'm currently looking into switching to the Profilux 4, but I'm trying to figure out if my skimmer and return pump are compatible. I currently have the Reef Octopus VarioS-6 for a return pump and a Deltec SC1351 as my skimmer. Are either of these capable of having the Profilux control their speed?

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/varios-6-controllable-dc-pump-1720-gph-reef-octopus.html

Third Party Control
There is a dedicated port on the VarioS controller letting you directly connect your VarioS pump to any third party controller through a 0-10V reference port. Controlling your pump through a controller like an Apex lets you create your own flow profiles which are particularly handy for closed loop systems creating a random flow throughout the aquarium.

As for your skimmer, it looks like the SC1351 has a DC powered pump with controller, but you'd have to reach out to Deltec, or their reps to see if the controller is externally adjustable via 0-10v. If so, then the ProfiLux could control it. Check with @Battlecorals

Lasse · Feb 19, 2017

The skimmer pump to Deltec SC 1351 looks for me to be a 2000DC Jebao pump. It looks like them and the control is identical. Jebao use 0-5 V. It’s possible to do a DIY and control the pump through Profilux. At the 1-10 V interface in the GCC you can change the span to 0 – 5 V. I have not test with the Deltec SC1351 skimmer (I have one by myself) but with other Jebao DC pumps and wavemakers – it works well.

Sincerely Lasse

Rory's Reef · Feb 19, 2017

Marco@GHLUSA said:
http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/varios-6-controllable-dc-pump-1720-gph-reef-octopus.html

As for your skimmer, it looks like the SC1351 has a DC powered pump with controller, but you'd have to reach out to Deltec, or their reps to see if the controller is externally adjustable via 0-10v. If so, then the ProfiLux could control it. Check with @Battlecorals

Thanks for the quick response! I currently have a cord that is allowing me to control the Reef Octopus through the Apex. It connect to the RO through a 0-10v stereo port and the other end connects to the apex with an RJ-45 end. Will this work with the Profilux or would I need to purchase the LBF-AP module? Thanks for your help

Lasse said:
The skimmer pump to Deltec SC 1351 looks for me to be a 2000DC Jebao pump. It looks like them and the control is identical. Jebao use 0-5 V. It’s possible to do a DIY and control the pump through Profilux. At the 1-10 V interface in the GCC you can change the span to 0 – 5 V. I have not test with the Deltec SC1351 skimmer (I have one by myself) but with other Jebao DC pumps and wavemakers – it works well.

Sincerely Lasse

Thanks. I might give that a try. If not, Oh well, I don't really need to control the skimmer speed anyways, just something else to play with

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Dumaurier7 · Feb 19, 2017

Rory's Reef said:
Thanks for the quick response! I currently have a cord that is allowing me to control the Reef Octopus through the Apex. It connect to the RO through a 0-10v stereo port and the other end connects to the apex with an RJ-45 end. Will this work with the Profilux or would I need to purchase the LBF-AP module? Thanks for your help

Thanks. I might give that a try. If not, Oh well, I don't really need to control the skimmer speed anyways, just something else to play with .

I think controlling the skimmer becomes critical when the return pump/s are controlled! When the pump speed changes the level of the sump also changes , if it slows down enough the sump level can go high enough to cause the skimmer to overflow. I have not installed myP4 yet so I am adjusting the speed of my L1 manually, every so often I experience this issue.

Rory's Reef · Feb 19, 2017

Dumaurier7 said:
I think controlling the skimmer becomes critical when the return pump/s are controlled! When the pump speed changes the level of the sump also changes , if it slows down enough the sump level can go high enough to cause the skimmer to overflow. I have not installed myP4 yet so I am adjusting the speed of my L1 manually, every so often I experience this issue.

I'll still have the skimmer plugged into the power bar so that I can turn it off when I feed or if I mess with the return pump. I just don't really need to control the DC pump speed of the skimmer. That really doesn't change anyways.

Dumaurier7 · Feb 19, 2017

U will have to install a high level switch to shut Down the skimmer.

Rory's Reef · Feb 19, 2017

Dumaurier7 said:
U will have to install a high level switch to shut Down the skimmer.

I'm not sure I'm understanding. Why would I need a level switch? Why wouldn't I just have the ProfiLux shut down the skimmer when I hit the feed mode?

Dumaurier7 · Feb 19, 2017

It's not about the feed mode, when the pump pulls less the sump level rises ..........yes I know it is supposed to balance out , but it finds equilibrium at a higher level when the pump slows down .The sump operates at different levels based on the return pump flow and speed, especially if you are feeding reactors too.

BeachBum2012 · Dec 12, 2017

Marco@GHLUSA said:
Very simple.

You'll need a Gyre, the model respective IceCap 0-10v interface, and you can either modify the APEX cable, or pickup the LBF-AP module for an easy screw terminal connection.

At this point when you reference modifying the APEX cable, do you mean snipping off the plug and replacing it with an RJ12 plug that could be used directly into the 0-10V interface on the back of the ProfiLux? If so, what is the pin out for that plug? I can't seem to find it anywhere easily. Thanks