Hydrogen Peroxide Dosing

[House_of_Coral]

Hello Everybody,

I’ve read before that oxygenation plays a role in coral growth. It seemed to have a positive impact at normal levels but reacted negatively at higher concentrations. I always assumed this to be the case with long term dosing. It most likely over-saturates the water and chokes out micro algae but over time can affect the zooxanthellae as well.

I’d like to know:

Would dosing over the counter 3% hydrogen peroxide help to achieve a better balance (assuming it is not 100%) in water oxidation?

What devices/techniques can be used to measure the saturation? I know there’s ORP probes but I am not sure how that equates to saturation.


Could the same results be achieved with water flow and/or a bubble skimmer?

For those who keep macro algae/algae scrubbers how can you tell the oxygen produced by the plants is/isn’t producing excess oxygen? You hear all the time that these are supper effective at pulling out nutrients but do they expel too much oxygen in their anaerobic process?

Just some shower thoughts.
Let me know what you think!

 

[vetteguy53081]

Hello Everybody,

I’ve read before that oxygenation plays a role in coral growth. It seemed to have a positive impact at normal levels but reacted negatively at higher concentrations. I always assumed this to be the case with long term dosing. It most likely over-saturates the water and chokes out micro algae but over time can affect the zooxanthellae as well.

I’d like to know:

Would dosing over the counter 3% hydrogen peroxide help to achieve a better balance (assuming it is not 100%) in water oxidation?

What devices/techniques can be used to measure the saturation? I know there’s ORP probes but I am not sure how that equates to saturation.


Could the same results be achieved with water flow and/or a bubble skimmer?

For those who keep macro algae/algae scrubbers how can you tell the oxygen produced by the plants is/isn’t producing excess oxygen? You hear all the time that these are supper effective at pulling out nutrients but do they expel too much oxygen in their anaerobic process?

Just some shower thoughts.
Let me know what you think!

Be careful what you read
Peroxide can be a great dip and bath but can be ineffective and cause issues as it’s an oxidizer and not a treatment- rarely used in clinics anymore

 

[Rtaylor]

There’s some old school stuff out there mostly used in freshwater. I have a couple, thinking about trying them again to see if there’s any benefit.

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[House_of_Coral]

Be careful what you read
Peroxide can be a great dip and bath but can be ineffective and cause issues as it’s an oxidizer and not a treatment- rarely used in clinics anymore
Be careful what you read
Peroxide can be a great dip and bath but can be ineffective and cause issues as it’s an oxidizer and not a treatment- rarely used in clinics anymor

It was an article in a science magazine. I can’t find the exact one I read but this maybe it under a different site.

Coral calcification under daily oxygen saturation and pH dynamics reveals the important role of oxygen - PMC

Coral reefs are essential to many nations, and are currently in global decline. Although climate models predict decreases in seawater pH (∼0.3 units) and oxygen saturation (∼5 percentage points), these are exceeded by the current daily pH and oxygen ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I vaguely understand the chemistry of it but it all seems to make sense. They didn’t use peroxide in their experiments but imagine it boils down to the same thing.

 

[House_of_Coral]

There’s some old school stuff out there mostly used in freshwater. I have a couple, thinking about trying them again to see if there’s any benefit.

Sochting Oxydator

The oldest provider of freshwater invertebrates in the US, The Shrimp Tank is your source for the best shrimp products from around the world. Visit today!

www.theshrimptank.com

I saw this before and wondered how it would work! There was something about it, like it only released pure oxygen by some process I don’t recall.

 

[Rtaylor]

I saw this before and wondered how it would work! There was something about it, like it only released pure oxygen by some process I don’t recall.

Yeah, it explains it if you click on the link. It uses a catalyst to cause a chemical reaction generating pure O2 and H2O

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Hello Everybody,

I’ve read before that oxygenation plays a role in coral growth. It seemed to have a positive impact at normal levels but reacted negatively at higher concentrations. I always assumed this to be the case with long term dosing. It most likely over-saturates the water and chokes out micro algae but over time can affect the zooxanthellae as well.

I’d like to know:

Would dosing over the counter 3% hydrogen peroxide help to achieve a better balance (assuming it is not 100%) in water oxidation?

What devices/techniques can be used to measure the saturation? I know there’s ORP probes but I am not sure how that equates to saturation.


Could the same results be achieved with water flow and/or a bubble skimmer?

For those who keep macro algae/algae scrubbers how can you tell the oxygen produced by the plants is/isn’t producing excess oxygen? You hear all the time that these are supper effective at pulling out nutrients but do they expel too much oxygen in their anaerobic process?

Just some shower thoughts.
Let me know what you think!

I would not associate any of the effects of hydrogen peroxide to changes in O2.

O2 may well be something we do not want getting too low at night, and skimmers and other methods can help reduce the drop.

I’m not aware of any evidence that O2 gets too high in normal reef tanks.

 

[House_of_Coral]

I would not associate any of the effects of hydrogen peroxide to changes in O2.

O2 may well be something we do not want getting too low at night, and skimmers and other methods can help reduce the drop.

I’m not aware of any evidence that O2 gets too high in normal reef tanks.

Is there a calculable correlation between ORP and saturation?

 

[House_of_Coral]

Yeah, it explains it if you click on the link. It uses a catalyst to cause a chemical reaction generating pure O2 and H2O

Right but it doesn’t say what the catalyst is lol. Some super secretive stuff

 

[vetteguy53081]

It was an article in a science magazine. I can’t find the exact one I read but this maybe it under a different site.

Coral calcification under daily oxygen saturation and pH dynamics reveals the important role of oxygen - PMC

Coral reefs are essential to many nations, and are currently in global decline. Although climate models predict decreases in seawater pH (∼0.3 units) and oxygen saturation (∼5 percentage points), these are exceeded by the current daily pH and oxygen ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I vaguely understand the chemistry of it but it all seems to make sense. They didn’t use peroxide in their experiments but imagine it boils down to the same thing.

Substituting oxygen with peroxide and from a study 10-14 years ago raises question on my behalf especially without ability to properly measure the drop and risk of getting too low

 

[House_of_Coral]

Substituting oxygen with peroxide and from a study 10-14 years ago raises question on my behalf especially without ability to properly measure the drop and risk of getting too low

Agreed. I don’t know enough on how the chemistry works or even how to test it accurately. I’d be more afraid of raising the oxygen level too high (I assume that’s what you meant too). However, I am interested in the topic and I am curious to know how it would all work, if possible. I’ve heard of people wanting to dose oxygen to tanks much like how planted tanks get dosed with Co2. The costs would be much too high but if you swapped out the oxygen tank for a little brown bottle of peroxide, that might work! This is all theoretical hobbyist level thoughts though. In the article I posted, it says there was a 170%+ increase in growth. That was at 100% saturation. That sounds too good to be true! If that was at all possible with substituting peroxide, that’d be a game changer.
As of right now, I have no idea of what the oxygen level is in any of my tanks. I figured testing that is priority #1. For all I know the corals themselves produce more than enough oxygen

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Is there a calculable correlation between ORP and saturation?

No. O2 and ORP are not correlated.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Agreed. I don’t know enough on how the chemistry works or even how to test it accurately. I’d be more afraid of raising the oxygen level too high (I assume that’s what you meant too). However, I am interested in the topic and I am curious to know how it would all work, if possible. I’ve heard of people wanting to dose oxygen to tanks much like how planted tanks get dosed with Co2. The costs would be much too high but if you swapped out the oxygen tank for a little brown bottle of peroxide, that might work! This is all theoretical hobbyist level thoughts though. In the article I posted, it says there was a 170%+ increase in growth. That was at 100% saturation. That sounds too good to be true! If that was at all possible with substituting peroxide, that’d be a game changer.
As of right now, I have no idea of what the oxygen level is in any of my tanks. I figured testing that is priority #1. For all I know the corals themselves produce more than enough oxygen

Here is some reliable reading on O2 in reef tanks, if that is what you want:

https://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-08/eb/index.php

https://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-07/eb/index.php

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-06/eb/index.php

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Agreed. I don’t know enough on how the chemistry works or even how to test it accurately. I’d be more afraid of raising the oxygen level too high (I assume that’s what you meant too). However, I am interested in the topic and I am curious to know how it would all work, if possible. I’ve heard of people wanting to dose oxygen to tanks much like how planted tanks get dosed with Co2. The costs would be much too high but if you swapped out the oxygen tank for a little brown bottle of peroxide, that might work! This is all theoretical hobbyist level thoughts though. In the article I posted, it says there was a 170%+ increase in growth. That was at 100% saturation. That sounds too good to be true! If that was at all possible with substituting peroxide, that’d be a game changer.
As of right now, I have no idea of what the oxygen level is in any of my tanks. I figured testing that is priority #1. For all I know the corals themselves produce more than enough oxygen

Many reef tanks are at or above 100% O2 saturation during the daytime due to photosynthesis.

 

[House_of_Coral]

Many reef tanks are at or above 100% O2 saturation during the daytime due to photosynthesis.

Thanks for the heads up!

 

[House_of_Coral]

Here is some reliable reading on O2 in reef tanks, if that is what you want:

https://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-08/eb/index.php

https://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-07/eb/index.php

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-06/eb/index.php

Really appreciate it, thank you!