Hypo and inverts

[jeff williams]

hey guys I'm getting ready to qt some inverts , cerith and trochus snails a feather dust and a piece of green star polyp. Was wondering if these could servive in hyposalinity 1.009, this way I would only need to qt for 30 days instead of 76

 

[Bouncingsoul39]

No, hypo will kill them. A simple Google search would reflect that. With this type of quarantine for the animals you mention, why not just only do observation while under QT only?

 

[jeff williams]

No, hypo will kill them. A simple Google search would reflect that. With this type of quarantine for the animals you mention, why not just only do observation while under QT only?

I don't trust google I go straight to the source R2R if it will kill them that what I'll do is qt 76 days

 

[Bouncingsoul39]

R2R is not "the source". Unless you're speaking of "the source" for often given misinformation from inexperienced but well meaning hobbyists. Books and articles written by industry professionals are "the source".

 

[Gladmaker]

I'm not understanding your 30 days vs 76 days. What does that have to do with salinity? Nothing requiring saltwater can survive at 1.009. That's a huge shock going from the salinity they came to you in. Then even if they survived 30 days, it would be another huge shock to go back into normal saltwater. That alone will kill them as inverts are more sensitive to salinity changes than most fish.

 

[jeff williams]

I'm not understanding your 30 days vs 76 days. What does that have to do with salinity? Nothing requiring saltwater can survive at 1.009. That's a huge shock going from the salinity they came to you in. Then even if they survived 30 days, it would be another huge shock to go back into normal saltwater. That alone will kill them as inverts are more sensitive to salinity changes than most fish.

Ok guys obviously you don't understand parasites and hyposalinity 1st hyposalinity is used for qt for 30 days with fish all the time. If you could keep inverts at 1.009 for 30 days the ick parasites will be killed that's were the 30 days comes into play. Second if you have a DT that's infected with ick the fallow period is 76 days this allows the parasites to run there entire life cycle and die (in a worse case scenario). That's were the 76 days comes in. Know if you can keep snails or inverts in qt at 1.009 they will be ready for your DT, if you cannot run hyposalinity then for safety sack you would qt inverts for 76 because the ick has to run its life cycle (76 days worse case scenario)
Now the last part of your statement going from the SG the inverts are shipped in to 1.009 obviously takes time when acclimating and returning them to higher SG. It's not a 1 hr process it's a weeks process or more. And finally to avoid the next question and have to give a lesson in qt fish, inverts cannot host ick velvet ect however when these parasites drop of the fish and encrust they can stick to the inverts shells and be introduced to your tank. This is why qt of inverts is important and hence the saying "anything wet go into your DT should be quarantined "

 

[Gladmaker]

Good QT lesson! If it takes a week or more to acclimate both directions, I don't see how it would be worth the effort unless you had an automated system to do that. Otherwise, 76 days would be the way to go to be absolutely safe.
Question on inverts - since they themselves don't host ick, etc, there is no visible sign of it, how can you know there is no ick after 76 days? You can't treat inverts with anything containing copper. So if they aren't with fish, the ick will all have died and won't be transferred with the inverts to the DT?
I'm not being critical, just trying to learn.

 

[jeff williams]

Good QT lesson! If it takes a week or more to acclimate both directions, I don't see how it would be worth the effort unless you had an automated system to do that. Otherwise, 76 days would be the way to go to be absolutely safe.
Question on inverts - since they themselves don't host ick, etc, there is no visible sign of it, how can you know there is no ick after 76 days? You can't treat inverts with anything containing copper. So if they aren't with fish, the ick will all have died and won't be transferred with the inverts to the DT?
I'm not being critical, just trying to learn.

Yes you are correct. In one study the ick parasites were able to stay encrusted 72 days (under certain circumstances) there for when they hatch so to speak and are in there free swimming stage they have around a day to find a host or they die and the life cycle ends. With this in mind the standard protocol for aquarist is a 76 day fallow period were no fish are present in the infected tank thus killing the parasites and the tank becomes ick free. Other parasites like velvet only require a 6 week fallow period same as brooklynella there life cycles run faster than ick.
And I agree the 30 day qt would actually be more like 45 days due to changing SG but still would be less than 76.